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re: Why do Americans demonize street drugs but celebrate alcohol?
Posted on 4/24/16 at 10:40 am to TJGator1215
Posted on 4/24/16 at 10:40 am to TJGator1215
The demographics associated with this country's founding and, therefore, culture, have been involved with alcoholic beverages for centuries longer than with any street drug. Aside from any of our opinions on alcohol and drugs, this inevitably is a huge factor.
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Posted on 4/24/16 at 10:47 am to northshorebamaman
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I think most people would take a dim view of "street" alcohol too, if it were prevalent.
I drink the finest toilet wine.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 10:55 am to TJGator1215
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The same can be said for heroin and crack. In fact alcohol is the true gateway drug. Portugal decriminalized all drugs and use dropped.
Should it be decriminalized is a completely different question than whether it's a worse substance than alcohol.
I'm not anti legalization. I'm anti half baked arguments that alcohol, a substance used worldwide throughout all of human history, is worse than fricking heroine.
There are a greater number of negative things attributed to alcohol because alcohol use is ubiquitous. End of that argument.
Start another argument that de criminalization is a good thing because of "x", and at least you wouldn't be starting from a ludicrous analogy.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 10:55 am to TJGator1215
You ever hear of the Temperance movement?
Posted on 4/24/16 at 11:01 am to uway
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There are a greater number of negative things attributed to alcohol because alcohol use is ubiquitous. End of that argument.
That is not how a debate works. You're also wrong but you wouldn't care even if someone gave you all the facts.
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I'm not anti legalization. I'm anti half baked arguments that alcohol, a substance used worldwide throughout all of human history, is worse than fricking heroine.
You're willfully ignoring the fact that all drugs have been used for worldwide for the entirety of human history. In fact, booze may not even be the oldest.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 11:01 am to Barf
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If you look at the motivations behind alcohol prohibition, it's scary how similar it is to our current war on drugs.
As are the unintended consequences
Posted on 4/24/16 at 11:02 am to uway
double post
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 11:03 am
Posted on 4/24/16 at 11:19 am to TJGator1215
I have no real problem with marijuana legalization and think it should be legalized but I don't understand why the staunch marijuana legalization proponents have decided to demonize alcohol in an effort to shame people to support their cause.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 11:25 am to TJGator1215
In my opinion, alcohol is worst than most street drugs. I've done most except for crack and heroin. Alcohol was the worst of all because of the feeling it would give me.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:55 pm to TJGator1215
First, I think you are laboring under a false premise.
Second, there is a significant difference between having a Budweiser at home after a long day at work and coming home to shoot up heroine that you bought off the streets.
Second, there is a significant difference between having a Budweiser at home after a long day at work and coming home to shoot up heroine that you bought off the streets.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 5:08 pm to TJGator1215
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Twenty drugs were scored on 16 criteria – nine related to the harms that a particular drug does to an individual and seven to the harms a drug does to others.
I would be interested in seeing this report.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 5:15 pm to Titus Pullo
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I would be interested in seeing this report.
It's kind of silly but you can read it here.
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MCDA modelling showed that heroin, crack cocaine, and metamfetamine were the most harmful drugs to individuals (part scores 34, 37, and 32, respectively), whereas alcohol, heroin, and crack cocaine were the most harmful to others (46, 21, and 17, respectively). Overall, alcohol was the most harmful drug (overall harm score 72), with heroin (55) and crack cocaine (54) in second and third places.
At the end of the day if you care, at all, what someone is doing with their own life then you are an a-hole. There really is no reason for this stuff to be criminal. It's dumb.
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 4/24/16 at 5:44 pm to Barf
I go back and forth on this. For the most part, I agree with you. But I've also seen the horrors of Meth, what it's done to my brother and some of his friends. It's scary to think about that kind of drug becoming legal.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 5:47 pm to TJGator1215
Idiot
Posted on 4/24/16 at 5:48 pm to TJGator1215
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Posted on 4/24/16 at 6:03 pm to Barf
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At the end of the day if you care, at all, what someone is doing with their own life then you are an a-hole.
Most people are so miserable with their own lives that if they see someone who isn't miserable then they want to make rules, laws, whatever to try and make sure everyone is just as miserable as they are.
I clicked the link, but I guess you have to register for a login to see the actual questions on the panel that led to the scoring.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 6:12 pm to Jake88
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Having worked in an er we saw far more people come in with strokes and mi's from crack than alcohol. I saw far more deaths from heroin overdose than alcohol poisoning.
Ban alcohol and see what happens.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 6:16 pm to Govt Tide
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have no real problem with marijuana legalization and think it should be legalized but I don't understand why the staunch marijuana legalization proponents have decided to demonize alcohol in an effort to shame people to support their cause.
IMO it is to show how hypocritical our society is.
Basically everything someone says about not legalizing weed could be said about alcohol. Except alcohol is much much worse.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 6:29 pm to TJGator1215
Home brew off limits I guess too
Posted on 4/24/16 at 6:38 pm to Barf
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It's 100% true. You're in denial if you think otherwise. You're going to believe what you want to believe no matter what the facts so having this conversation is pointless if you're just going to arbitrarily deny things without at least making an attempt to back them up.
You should actually read your links before posting them. Both are articles on the same study that measured how harmful the substance was to the person and society (i.e. Costs to society in terms of care, crimes, domestic tensions, etc.) Alcohol was #1 in terms of harm to society because it's fricking legal and used exponentially more than other substances. It doesn't take a bunch of scientists sitting around a table to figure out that the substance most used in terms of quantity is going to have the most overall negative consequences in terms of quantity.
And on the harm to person side, it only measured harms to health when use got the "abuse" stage. There, alcohol ran in the middle of the pack.
At no point did the study cited in your links describe the general affect of alcohol on a person compared to other substances.
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