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re: Why are Private School Teachers typically paid less than public school teachers?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:11 am to volod
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:11 am to volod
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I look at it this way: if I provide a better service that you are willing to pay for , I should earn more money.
But the system says: you have it easier than your public counterparts, therefore you get paid less.
No.
Supply and demand is still at play with private vs public teaching. The difference is that private schools are offering a better atmosphere for the teacher, so their pay doesn't have to be as high. It's all part of the total package. You're looking at it simply form an income level.
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I understand that the US trains people to value things by ROI above all else. I'm just pointing out this could be barrier to some people who would want to enter the profession.
Calculating ROI of a profession strictly on the basis of income misses the big picture.
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:19 am to volod
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My issue is that many of you keep pushing free market principles, yet the education system is literally an antithesis to that. Why is it that when people are paying for private education the teachers are paid less?
Our free market is saying that a public school teacher is more valuable than a private school teacher. Why is that?
Perhaps you could argue that public school teachers are OVERPAID relative to the market, and/or that the benefits of dealing with a private employer outweigh the bureaucratic issues that public employment can entail.
This is not true for all places because the public in many places are shite like in south LA, but just about every private school teacher I know does it because the quality of the work environment is better in the private school.
In private schools you have parents who have "skin in the game" so to speak and as a result are more demanding on their kids to work hard and be well behaved. Sadly, teachers in public schools have to try to educate many kids whose parent could not give a shite less how their child does in school. The ONLY thing they care about is that school is a "free" daycare.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:20 am to volod
The diocese of BR has a flat rate that schools must pay teachers. The tuition at the school is set to cover the base rate.
This rate elevates as the number of years they have worked increases. In my opinion this is flawed. You have teachers who have worked 30 years doing the bare minimum in the classroom getting paid 55k while some first and second year teachers are killing it for 34k.
If the school has a healthy enrollment rate, they can usually add more on to each teachers salary.
No Catholic schools in EBR offer free tuition to teachers.
All of the above is why your average private school teacher is female with a husband who makes the real bank.
This rate elevates as the number of years they have worked increases. In my opinion this is flawed. You have teachers who have worked 30 years doing the bare minimum in the classroom getting paid 55k while some first and second year teachers are killing it for 34k.
If the school has a healthy enrollment rate, they can usually add more on to each teachers salary.
No Catholic schools in EBR offer free tuition to teachers.
All of the above is why your average private school teacher is female with a husband who makes the real bank.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:20 am to iAmBatman
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Because not having to deal with public school children and their parents are worth taking less money.
My buddy left a public school for a private school for this very reason.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:25 am to Sir Drinksalot
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All of the above is why your average private school teacher is female with a husband who makes the real bank.
I understand. This post wasn't a troll. I'm just trying to understand the dynamics of teacher salary from people who actually have sent kids to private school. Because outside of education, any other business would pay high performance more $.
Also you just confirmed my earlier statement. The system is designed to benefit married spouses. They are the only ones who can "Afford" to take a lower salary for better conditions. It's another barrier to males in particular since their is a bias against male teachers (thanks to the left).
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:27 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:27 am to volod
the trick is that its very hard to single out "high performance".
So they use the pay scale that elevates with years.
I work in the diocese and pay to send my kids to school at a private school.
But really I'm paying to keep them out of public school.
So they use the pay scale that elevates with years.
I work in the diocese and pay to send my kids to school at a private school.
But really I'm paying to keep them out of public school.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:30 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:42 am to Sir Drinksalot
Some...very few private schools pay better than Public. But they exist.
But ordinarily case is public. Uncle Sam has an unlimited faucet. Protestant schools and smaller indy schools have to depend big time on their own coughing up extra.
But ordinarily case is public. Uncle Sam has an unlimited faucet. Protestant schools and smaller indy schools have to depend big time on their own coughing up extra.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:50 am to Sir Drinksalot
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No Catholic schools in EBR offer free tuition to teachers.
while not free, they do offer discounted tuition
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:50 am to volod
Some of those higher paying public school teaching positions can be more difficult to land.
I went to both private and public schools growing up. Overall, the public school teachers in the advanced (Honors, AP) classes were better than almost any of the private school teachers. The private school also struggled keeping good teachers, especially math teachers. The good ones we did keep seemed to have a more altruistic outlook on life.
It also depends highly on the school. I would say the more expensive private schools that are not far off of college tuition ($20k/yr and up) probably pay as good or slightly better tuition.
I went to both private and public schools growing up. Overall, the public school teachers in the advanced (Honors, AP) classes were better than almost any of the private school teachers. The private school also struggled keeping good teachers, especially math teachers. The good ones we did keep seemed to have a more altruistic outlook on life.
It also depends highly on the school. I would say the more expensive private schools that are not far off of college tuition ($20k/yr and up) probably pay as good or slightly better tuition.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:52 am to volod
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Our free market is saying that a public school teacher is more valuable than a private school teacher. Why is that?
Wait, what?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:54 am to slackster
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They don't want to teach to 30 kids when they can teach to 20 elsewhere.
agreed, but not every private school has 20 or less students in their classes. Sure, the nicer schools have great ratios, but many private schools still have ratios similar to public schools.
The truth is there are dozens of reasons why teachers will take less to teach in a private school and it will vary from teacher to teacher. I grew up in private schools and many of my teachers worked there various reasons. Just off the top of my head here are why several of my old teachers were at my school:
- not certified to work in public schools (several teachers)
- retired from public school and was earning a second income (ideal hire for a private school)
- didn't want to deal with public school system (i lived in a shitty public school district)
- wanted to teach where their kids went to school and got a discount
- income wasn't needed, so the teacher taught at a private school that was low pressure almost like a hobby more than a job.
- just out of school and only coaching job he/she could get (usually left after couple years to go to higher paying public school)
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:56 am to ashy larry
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- income wasn't needed, so the teacher taught at a private school that was low pressure almost like a hobby more than a job.
I think that's the point of this thread.
When it comes to the two options, if income was irrelevant, the majority would rather teach in a private school. That fact is why the pay doesn't have to be as competitive.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:05 pm to volod
In some cities like New Orleans, many of the private school students are actually a joy to teach and be around. The teachers love their jobs and wouldn’t take double the pay to teach at the public schools, which are chock full of problems from every possible angle imaginable from the students to the parents to the entitled administrators.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:19 pm to iAmBatman
quote:said by someone who has never taught in a private school. Private school parents are far worse.
Because not having to deal with public school children and their parents are worth taking less money.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:19 pm to The Torch
quote:not true of most private schools
They don't have to have the same certifications
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:23 pm to volod
I wonder does this include segregation private schools in places like Mississippi? If so that's really going to skew the numbers. I went to a decent school in the delta and I know for a fact through family that my teachers were paid around 20k/year because half of them weren't teachers by trade but because the administration needed a teacher for X class in a given year and they will hire someone's retired grandmother or stay at home mom.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:25 pm to iAmBatman
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Because not having to deal with public school children and their parents are worth taking less money.
^^^ THIS x 100000000
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:27 pm to arcalades
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Private school parents are far worse.
No, they’re not. Yeah, they typically expect more out of the teachers, but they’re also more likely to make sure little Karsten does his homework and gets punished for acting like a little shite head.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:28 pm to volod
no union
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:31 pm to volod
Private school teachers are generally paid more while parochial/religious schools are paid much much less. Private schools have higher standards than traditional public schools and parochial schools are held to much lower standards because of the religious exemption.
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