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re: Why are people of history being held to today standards?
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:40 pm to Bayouboogaloocrew
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:40 pm to Bayouboogaloocrew
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Is it an issue in today’s world... no. It’s just an excuse to stir the pot and create a whole shitload of reverse racism that this country is dealing with. People cry racism but their actions create it.
I agree with most of this other than the fact the 150 years isn't really all that long in a historical sense. No oppressed of conquered people have really gotten to full strength in that amount of time, though the modern world is certainly a lot different.
This shite is hard to figure out and understand, especially in the moment. The mouth breathing OP sure isn't going to solve anything.
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Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:42 pm to MoarKilometers
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We hold these truths to be self-evident
Being able to hold any truths is an example of white privilege. Cancel the Declaration of Independence!
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:43 pm to StringedInstruments
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Being able to hold any truths is an example of white privilege
Any truth is the fabrication of man. It is set in zero reality.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:47 pm to thadcastle
I don't believe in justifying people's shitty behavior just because it was more normalized at the time.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:48 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I think the standard of slavery is wrong is a pretty fricking low hurdle to get over.
Once again, you are judging by todays standards.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:50 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Treating other humans as property isn't really a moving target. Its a pretty heinous practice.
People of every stripe have been slaves to other humans since the earliest days of human history. Even to this day there is still slavery on this planet. This might come as a surprise to you, but slavery isn’t not a unique experience only shared by those with black skin. Somehow every one of these groups has managed to overcome enslavement and move forward as a society except one. It’s been nearly 200 years since slavery ended in the United States. No one here has either been a slave or owned slaves. Stop pointing your finger and trying to lecture us that we are somehow responsible and need to seek atonement for the actions of those who have been dead for nearly 2 centuries.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:52 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Should they be judged on the full context of their character? Yes.
So someone living in the first millennium was supposed to magically know that slavery was immoral when they were taught from childhood that it was a simple fact of life? The institution was so deeply rooted in ancient and medieval culture that your character might have been questioned had you spoken out against it in those days. Had you been born in the 15th century instead of the 20th century, you wouldn't have been any different.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:56 pm to RollTide1987
And 1000 years from now it’s entirely possible that several of our current practices will be regarded as barbaric. Our progress should still be celebrated and remembered.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:56 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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People of every stripe have been slaves to other humans since the earliest days of human history. Even to this day there is still slavery on this planet. This might come as a surprise to you, but slavery isn’t not a unique experience only shared by those with black skin
This can't be true? What a shock!
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Somehow every one of these groups has managed to overcome enslavement and move forward as a society except one.
Well this isn't true, most all of them became a forgotten people that no longer exist.
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It’s been nearly 200 years since slavery ended in the United States.
Thats not a very long time in a historical context.
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Stop pointing your finger and trying to lecture us that we are somehow responsible and need to seek atonement for the actions of those who have been dead for nearly 2 centuries.
Thats not what i did, snowflake
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:57 pm to RollTide1987
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Had you been born in the 15th century instead of the 20th century, you wouldn't have been any different.
People have been speaking out against slavery since before the birth of Christ
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:15 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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People have been speaking out against slavery since before the birth of Christ
Exceptions to the rule have always existed. That doesn’t make my previous post any less true.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:16 pm to thadcastle
For fifty years I’ve always viewed the black power movement and the feminist as not wanting equality, but control and to be the master of every one else. They expect groveling by those they accuse, yet never forgive.
A certain segment of the Jews or ethnic Hebrews are the same way, but seem to enjoy their existence.
When you refer to judging the past by today’s standards, forty years from now, the non-indigenous Africans will be demanding that the Nike Jumpman logo be removed because it represents a stereotype of blacks playing basketball, jumping, etc. sort of like watermelon and chicken.
A certain segment of the Jews or ethnic Hebrews are the same way, but seem to enjoy their existence.
When you refer to judging the past by today’s standards, forty years from now, the non-indigenous Africans will be demanding that the Nike Jumpman logo be removed because it represents a stereotype of blacks playing basketball, jumping, etc. sort of like watermelon and chicken.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:17 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Well this isn't true, most all of them became a forgotten people that no longer exist.
Ah yes, the Irish, the Jews, Christians, Ukrainians, Poles, various Indian tribes.. all completely forgotten
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Thats not a very long time in a historical context.
How about 75 years for historical context? The Jews and other various European ethnicities were enslaved by the Nazis. Those that weren’t useful building the German war machine were starved, gassed and murdered to the tune of about 6 million plus in a little under a decade. So yeah, in context 200 years is a long fricking time.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:21 pm to TxTiger82
Yeah well your going to do away with the whole democratic party. They started kkk and segregation. I'm sure they had to know better.
This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:26 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Ah yes, the Irish, the Jews, Christians, Ukrainians, Poles, various Indian tribes.. all completely forgotten
I can name literally thousands of other peoples who no longer exist
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How about 75 years for historical context? The Jews and other various European ethnicities were enslaved by the Nazis. Those that weren’t useful building the German war machine were starved, gassed and murdered to the tune of about 6 million plus in a little under a decade. So yeah, in context 200 years is a long fricking time.
Dude, history existed outside of the last 300 years. For a long arse time actually
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:29 pm to thadcastle
This inability to let go of anachronism is an IQ filter for me.
I know the conversation can’t get beyond a certain intelligence level if someone holds figures of the past to our current standards.
I know the conversation can’t get beyond a certain intelligence level if someone holds figures of the past to our current standards.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:30 pm to Mohican
It would be like judging blazing Saddles to today’s standards.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:30 pm to thadcastle
Most of the people using modern standards to judge the past would’ve been supportive of slavery had they been born in the right culture at the right time.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:32 pm to Ross
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And 1000 years from now it’s entirely possible that several of our current practices will be regarded as barbaric. Our progress should still be celebrated and remembered.
1000 years? Hell, just go watch an Office episode. There’s no way in hell that show makes it on today, and it’s just a matter of time before it’s erased.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:32 pm to thadcastle
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People are getting erased from history for less than owning slaves
Erased from history or the narrative about them is becoming more complete?
Not celebrating doesn’t mean they are unspeakable figures. Talking about their wrongs doesn’t mean they did no right
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