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re: Who is the GOAT of all U.S generals?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:43 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:43 pm to Jim Rockford
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Everybody will say Patton but the answer is Eisenhower.
I believe Eisenhower was more of the politician/administrative type and not so much a tactician/combat commander type
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Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:45 pm to Truama_dawg
Richard Nixon (Navy)
Tommy Franks (Land)
Tommy Franks (Land)
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:51 pm to Penrod
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There really are no US military leaders who had the chance to be really great
If Grant had Lee’s storytellers/writers for the last 150 years, he’d be considered the GOAT.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:56 pm to Sus-Scrofa
Steve Spurrier
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:01 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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If Grant had Lee’s storytellers/writers for the last 150 years
Losers love telling a good story.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:03 pm to ned nederlander
quote:Nathanael Greene should be mentioned in this discussion
Not sure anyone has ever retreated better than Washington. And I mean that as the highest of compliments.
He made huge contributions to our revolution and was an amazing man.
And to your point, he was quite adept at conducting fighting retreats and drawing his enemy into bad situations.
But of course, he had studied under Washington.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:04 pm to upgrayedd
Eisenhower pushed for and pulled off D Day, which was a logistical miracle. Outside of that he didn’t do much other than handle the politics of the allied command. Post D Day he made many horrible tactical decisions. He allowed several hundred thousand Germans to escape the Fallais pocket. These are the same soldier who attacked the US a few months later in the Ardennes. He authorized Market Garden, which was possibly the worst conceived operation in all of WW2 in either theater. He handcuffed Patton at Menzt. He failed to clear the Schedlt Peninsula after taking Antwerp. This alone made the war last several months longer than necessary.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:05 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Not a U.S. General.
Pretty sure Lee was a general before succession.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:08 pm to Sam Quint
quote:According to their own writings then and later, they were starving and largely being fed by our supplies which were delivered by our ships. Also, much of their equipment was failing. They were driving a lot of our Studebakers and other donated vehicles without spare parts and their battle tanks were not reliable for any serious distances and the railways were slow to recover. If we had gone to battle, they would not have been very effective until they could squeeze resources from their newly taken countries and reestablished their manufacturing capabilities.
The red army very well may have been the best land based military in the world at the time.
Having said this, the Russian Army is famous for pushing on through terrible adversity.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:12 pm to Rabby
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Nathaniel Greene should be mentioned in this discussion
He made huge contributions to our revolution and was an amazing man.
And to your point, he was quite adept at conducting fighting retreats and drawing his enemy into bad situations.
But of course, he had studied under Washington.
Henry Knox dragged those cannon over the Berkshires from Ticonderoga to Boston in winter. Those Revolution military guys were just built different.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:16 pm to Truama_dawg
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:18 pm to Truama_dawg
If limited to Generals:
1. Chesty Puller.
2. George Patton
1. Chesty Puller.
2. George Patton
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:22 pm to Rabby
Red Army is defeated in 1941 without lend lease. Fact.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:23 pm to mdomingue
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Pretty sure Lee was a general before succession.
*Secession, and no he wasn't.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:24 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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If Grant had Lee’s storytellers/writers for the last 150 years, he’d be considered the GOAT.
Eh. Lee is pretty widely recognized as a very talented tactician.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:25 pm to TigerBR1111
quote:Compare that day to Washington crossing the Delaware in order to save his melting army and re-energize the revolution with an emotional boost when things were dismal to Eisenhower who always had the upper hand and the almost certain prospect of victory due to our abundant production capacity and ability to deliver it to the battle sites.
Eisenhower had to make the calls on D-Day. Changed the course of history. For that no one surpasses him.
In spite of having immense respect for Eisenhower and the men who made the whole D-Day event successful, I think it is Washington for the win.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:30 pm to michael corleone
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He authorized Market Garden, which was possibly the worst conceived operation in all of WW2 in either theater.
My take was Eisenhower had to play politics; Monty was pushing hard for his own offensive to exclusion of all others. Monty wanted Market Garden and got it even when intelligence started showing the expected German forces there had changed drastically.
He's not without his shortcomings but making that multi-national command staff work was no small feat.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:31 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Not a U.S. General
Are you saying the southern states were not a part of the US?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:37 pm to Sam Quint
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surrender half of Europe to communism for half a century?
i say that slightly tongue in cheek, because it's far more complicated than that, but Eisenhower definitely shares some responsibility in that as well.
The Soviets bled Germany white while bleeding themselves even whiter; they just had the numbers and a healthy amount of Lend Lease to stick it out. Bottom line is no one was going to go to war with Stalin nor challenge his territorial claims after the horrors of the Eastern Front.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:40 pm to RolltidePA
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Can't have this discussion without George Washington.
Not sure how you'd rank them, but George Washington, Winfield Scott, Robert E. Lee, Ulysses S. Grant, George Patton and Dwight Eisenhower all have to be considered.
Smedley Butler
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 4:14 pm
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