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re: Which special force has the most rigorous training ?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:20 pm to volod
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:20 pm to volod
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Is there an agreed upon decision on which division has the most difficult training and selection process
-Marines
-Rangers
-Navy Seals
-Green Berets
-Air Force Special Tactics Officers
One of those is not like the others.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:21 pm to Darth_Vader
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One of those is not like the others.
Which one ?? I tried to cover all of the major branches.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:22 pm to volod
Air Force and it's not even close.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:22 pm to volod
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Which one ?? I tried to cover all of the major branches.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:26 pm to volod
You did just fine Volod. Don't listen to these fools.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:30 pm to Darth_Vader
Fine service, but naval infantry is hardly special forces
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:30 pm to volod
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One of those is not like the others.
Which one ?? I tried to cover all of the major branches
The Marines. The subject of the threat is not branches of the military, rather the special forces components of the military. By that standard, the US Marine Corps is not considered to be a "Special Force" in an of itself. Yes, there are elements of the Marine Corps that are Special Forces, but that does not encompass the entirety of the Marines. For example a Force Recon Marine can be said to be Special Forces. But a Marine artilleryman, rifleman, tanker, mechanic, clerk, etc., etc. cannot be considered Special Forces.
Of the others that you listed...
-Rangers
-Navy Seals
-Green Berets
-Air Force Special Tactics Officers
They are all considered as Special Forces.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:32 pm to Womski
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not sure if marines belong on that list there, Volod.
Fine service, but naval infantry is hardly special forces
Recon
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:34 pm to DoUrden
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Recon
Not all Marines are Force Recon. In fact, only a small minority of Marines are Force Recon. As I said above, those Marines who are Recon can be considered Special Forces. But regular Marines cannot.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:35 pm to choupiquesushi
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SWIM 500 YDS.Side stroke/breast stroke
10:30 min
REST 10 MIN.
PUSH-UPS (within 2 min)
79
Rest 2 minutes
SIT-UPS (within 2 min)
79
Rest 2 minutes
PULL-UPS (no time limit)
11
Rest 10 minutes
1.5 MILE RUN 10:20 min
SWCC Physical
I don't even train for anything and I bet I could get off the couch and do this today
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:47 pm to SuperSaint
The pulls ups listed aren't talking about the kind you do with a rig.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:49 pm to volod
I worked with Bob & Bob from ODA1 (Delta). Let them use my interpreter. Yes, they had the obligatory neck beards and Red Sox hats :)
That's all I got :P
That's all I got :P
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:51 pm to Darth_Vader
I understand what you are saying Darth
In my defense, the Marines advertise themselves heavily on being combat excellent.
In the public sphere, it is more well known that the other branches have multiple responsibilities. The Marines seem to focus so much on combat, it almost seems like all they care about is amphibious warfare.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:54 pm to SuperSaint
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I don't even train for anything and I bet I could get off the couch and do this today
Those are minimums to pass. You better be doing a shite ton better than those numbers to compete.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:55 pm to volod
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I understand what you are saying Darth
In my defense, the Marines advertise themselves heavily on being combat excellent.
Key word there being "advertise". BTW, one of my last duties on active duty in the US Army was as an instructor training Marine tanker recruits at the US Army's Armor School at Fort Knox.
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In the public sphere, it is more well known that the other branches have multiple responsibilities. The Marines seem to focus so much on combat, it almost seems like all they care about is amphibious warfare.
Amphibious warfare is their sole purpose for existing other than to guard ships. The main branch that shoulders the main responsibility for ground combat was, is, and always will be the US Army.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:55 pm to 13SaintTiger
Seals are a very very close second behind Air Force para rescue
Those are some bad mother humpers!!!
Those are some bad mother humpers!!!
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:01 pm to Darth_Vader
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Amphibious warfare is their sole purpose for existing other than to guard ships.
Let's not forget rescuing all the downed pilots Darth.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:08 pm to Lsuwannabe
The is a great book called, "The Command" which is about JSOC (DEVGRU, CAG, etc.). It makes mention of the Army's ISA (Intelligence Support Activity) being shrouded in secrecy and really badass.
One ISA officer was kidnapped in the ME in the last decade by AQ if memory serves. Not only did he escape...he walked out the front door after killing all of his captors.
There is no doubt that the training that our special forces and the like go through is crazy. However, I am of the mindset that there are probably individuals out there we do not know about that receive training that is beyond that of the forces we know about...including DEVGRU< CIA SAD and Delta (CAG).
One ISA officer was kidnapped in the ME in the last decade by AQ if memory serves. Not only did he escape...he walked out the front door after killing all of his captors.
There is no doubt that the training that our special forces and the like go through is crazy. However, I am of the mindset that there are probably individuals out there we do not know about that receive training that is beyond that of the forces we know about...including DEVGRU< CIA SAD and Delta (CAG).
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:10 pm to Darth_Vader
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BTW, one of my last duties on active duty in the US Army was as an instructor training Marine tanker recruits at the US Army's Armor School at Fort Knox.
Did you go over installation of the drain plug?
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