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When things are “settled” again how much more expensive will commercial flights be?
Posted on 8/6/20 at 7:54 am
Posted on 8/6/20 at 7:54 am
The Exxon thread had me thinking about the ultimate downshift their likely will be in corporate travel due to the somewhat newfound ability to work just as effectively via remote methods. How much of commercial flights are “subsidized” by business travelers? By that I mean on the average flight what percentage are flying for personal reasons vs business reasons?
If there’s a dip in travelers for business reasons but not an appropriate rise in travelers for personal reasons to offset it (especially at business/first class rates) will that lead to much higher ticket prices to justify the cost of running these flights? Or will there just be less options?
If there’s a dip in travelers for business reasons but not an appropriate rise in travelers for personal reasons to offset it (especially at business/first class rates) will that lead to much higher ticket prices to justify the cost of running these flights? Or will there just be less options?
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 7:55 am
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Posted on 8/6/20 at 7:56 am to jlovel7
They dropped a ton in the beginning. I feel like they are already back to normal pricing
Posted on 8/6/20 at 7:58 am to jlovel7
We fly in this country
Posted on 8/6/20 at 7:58 am to jlovel7
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Or will there just be less options?
That’s currently what’s happening and will continue to happen. Business travel is recovering much more slowly than personal travel - we think primarily due to incurred liability of the companies sending their employees on the road. The response by the airlines has been to simply reduce the number flights per day, which has increased the number of passengers on each flight.
ETA: For example, prior to Covid, one major airline had 5 flights per day between Austin and Denver. They’ve reduced that number to two flights per day.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 8:02 am
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:04 am to jlovel7
Aviation fuel is the largest cost for airlines and that is really cheap. The fuel efficiency of newer planes is huge compared to older ones as well.
I am sure prices will go up though, supply and demand. Just look at baggage fees.
I am sure prices will go up though, supply and demand. Just look at baggage fees.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:05 am to jlovel7
Did you know you can book a flight from DFW to Miami a month out for 51 bucks round trip? Cheap enough to fly down, have a late lunch and back back before midnight. Not a bad date.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:06 am to Sao
I flew AUS-STT first class for like $900. 
I bought my years worth of flights after the shutdowns. Had to make some good come out if it.
I bought my years worth of flights after the shutdowns. Had to make some good come out if it.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:07 am to Sao
DFW to Philly was $24 r/t a couple of weeks ago. Couple of friends flew up for the day and came back that night. Crazy times.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:11 am to jlovel7
A blimp fleet is the way to go. It would be like "cruising in the air".
Let's not use Hydrogen however. Helium perhaps?
Let's not use Hydrogen however. Helium perhaps?
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:18 am to LoneStar23
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I feel like they are already back to normal pricing
I can book a flight for this weekend NO to NY non stop for $341. If I go out a month then it's $125.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 9:15 am to jlovel7
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The Exxon thread had me thinking about the ultimate downshift their likely will be in corporate travel due to the somewhat newfound ability to work just as effectively via remote methods.
Saw a WSJ article yesterday that is now saying the exact opposite. WFH is now NOT working as effectively as it first did.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 9:19 am to Floyd Dawg
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Saw a WSJ article yesterday that is now saying the exact opposite. WFH is now NOT working as effectively as it first did.
I wonder if a malaise is starting to set in for a lot of people. Also bringing on new hires seems like it’d be a nightmare for most places.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 9:45 am to jlovel7
Airlines have gotten pretty good at figuring out who can pay what. Business travelers don't have a lot of options, so those last minute tickets and certain routes are expensive, whereas the leisure fares and routes are much less, because leisure travelers have more options.
If airlines just try to pass the lost revenue onto leisure fares, I don't see that working.
I think what is more likely is reduced capacity. They will cut routes and mothball older planes which have a higher operating cost per seat.
If airlines just try to pass the lost revenue onto leisure fares, I don't see that working.
I think what is more likely is reduced capacity. They will cut routes and mothball older planes which have a higher operating cost per seat.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:06 am to jlovel7
depends on how much bailout $ they keep getting
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:07 am to eScott
booked round trip NOLA-NYC for $29 with United last week
had dates available all the way until the Tuesday before Thanksgiving
had dates available all the way until the Tuesday before Thanksgiving
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 10:08 am
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:11 am to jlovel7
I dunno, but I definitely bought into Delta stock when it hit rock bottom in March 
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:29 am to LoneStar23
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They dropped a ton in the beginning. I feel like they are already back to normal pricing
Booked 4 tickets from Knoxville to Minneapolis for $708 total.
Bought one pre-covid and it was almost $400 for the same flight for one ticket.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:13 am to eScott
quote:How about if you book a flight to and from places that aren't crime-ridden hellholes with streets full of "peaceful protestors"? Also, without a building that has been collapsed for 10 months now with a dead guy hanging out of it.
I can book a flight for this weekend NO to NY non stop for $341. If I go out a month then it's $125.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 11:18 am
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:57 am to jlovel7
Double what they are now.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:59 am to jlovel7
We need a national bullet train
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