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re: When did the definition of creole change?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:52 pm to bigberg2000
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:52 pm to bigberg2000
Yeah I think those were the natives of the island. Which was Hispaniola. Then Haiti and Dominican Republic.
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:53 pm to prplhze2000
Wow dude just wow. Learn some louisiana history please!
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:54 pm to mamoutiga
Pretty sure I have read what OP is saying. I predict he will be somewhat vindicated before this thread dies. Eta not mixed people, but French and/or Spanish.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:56 pm to mamoutiga
I'm just kind of proud that we have a history that leads to these kind of debates. 
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:57 pm to SuperSaint
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? What about when they breed with the Yats in da parish?
Think that's what they call a Boogerlee.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:00 pm to jmcs68
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I thought it was always a mix of black and french?
Because it is
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:03 pm to prplhze2000
Creoles were French people who were in LA before the Cajuns migrated here. Many of them mated with blacks and spanish people which gives many of them that hue that we associate with creole. Especially in NO.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:07 pm to wallowinit
Man I love me some yellow bone Creoles with some green cat eyes and European hair.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:07 pm to SuperSaint
Damn right son
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:09 pm to SuperSaint
Is that what the new one is like? 
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:10 pm to Nado Jenkins83
Nope. Went to Sherwood Junior High. Had a black La. history teacher.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:10 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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I thought it was always a mix of black and french?
quote:
Because it is
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:11 pm to prplhze2000
August 12, 2002 at 14:32 GMT
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:11 pm to mamoutiga
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Wow dude just wow. Learn some louisiana history please!
Cocksucker, I did. Took a whole year of it in eight grade.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:11 pm to notiger1997
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I'm just kind of proud that we have a history that leads to these kind of debates.
There's actually no debate on the meaning of the word creole. You either know what it means or you're wrong.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:13 pm to prplhze2000
IIRC from my Louisiana History class in college, Louisiana Creoles were (as others have said), descendants of French or Spanish colonists, born in LA. They were white Creoles and mixed-race Creoles. I think among the social hierarchy at the time, white Creoles were considered the most upper class, as they had the heritage of Europeans but were born here. I remember reading Kate Chopin's "The Awakening" and she talked about white Creoles. If you Google "Louisiana Creole Whites" there's an article about Chopin and another study of Creoles from Yale which say similar things.
Not sure when exactly the use of Creole to mean just mixed-race people of European/African descent came about. Probably post Civil War.
ETA: I went back and found the links, in case anyone wants to read more on the Creole culture.
Loyola article on Kate Chopin
Yale article
Not sure when exactly the use of Creole to mean just mixed-race people of European/African descent came about. Probably post Civil War.
ETA: I went back and found the links, in case anyone wants to read more on the Creole culture.
Loyola article on Kate Chopin
Yale article
This post was edited on 12/29/14 at 9:02 am
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:23 pm to prplhze2000
The meaning changes depending on point in history and place. In New Orleans, it originally meant the first generation born in the New World, generally French and Spanish. Creole was usually synonymous with wealthy, educated white people, again, who were French and Spanish. As (usually) French masters had children with African slaves, those children were also Creole. They had all the rights of their white half brothers and sisters. The right to be educated and to inherit land and money. There were white Creoles, Creoles of color and free people of color. After the Civil War, the meaning started changing again...
Cut to today in southwest Louisiana when Creole is often associated with black French cowboy culture.
There's a whole lot more to it, of course.
Cut to today in southwest Louisiana when Creole is often associated with black French cowboy culture.
There's a whole lot more to it, of course.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 11:27 pm to prplhze2000
There is louisiana creole and creole
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:22 am to prplhze2000
quote:You should have went a couple blocks to your west and attended Tommy More catlick school.
Cocksucker, I did. Took a whole year of it in eight grade.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:48 am to baybeefeetz
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Pretty sure I have read what OP is saying. I predict he will be somewhat vindicated before this thread dies. Eta not mixed people, but French and/or Spanish.
Yep, he's right. People in this thread giving the OP a hard time or whatever just aren't educated on the topic.
I wouldn't be surprised if the definition changed gradually as people used the term somewhat euphemistically for folks of mixed race lineage, as New Orleans and south Louisiana have always generally been more progressive than the rest of the south in treatment of blacks and other minorities.
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