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Posted on 4/11/23 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 2:37 pm to
Start asking for documentation. Estimations vs actuals.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
11307 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 2:37 pm to
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Only if it was a cost plus build…otherwise, not my problem.



Most of the contracts would have a draw at about 60% completion. Builders ain't dumb...they going to front load that draw to cover costs because cash is king. They also ain't likely to start with the extra expenses until after that draw...because they pretty much got you by the short hairs. If you do find a builder who does not have a draw at 60% you have another issue...you are paying way more than it should have been to begin with because a successful builder who has survived more than a few years ain't floating your project with his money for more than about 30-60 days.....if that builder is willing to wait until the project is complete and bought off on he knows the project is a sho nuff money maker.....
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
19850 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 2:38 pm to
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No you didnt

I absolutely did. My dad helped 2 days with the conventional roof framing and setting of the long arse LVLs. I did the rough plumbing, pulled 90% of my wiring. Dug the footings, finished the slab, did the siding, nailed the shingles. Amazing what you can do with a decade of experience in doing room additions... and a lifetime of having a GC for a dad.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
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11307 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 2:44 pm to
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I absolutely did. My dad helped 2 days with the conventional roof framing and setting of the long arse LVLs. I did the rough plumbing, pulled 90% of my wiring. Dug the footings, finished the slab, did the siding, nailed the shingles. Amazing what you can do with a decade of experience in doing room additions... and a lifetime of having a GC for a dad.


It really ain't that hard to do...doing it and making a profit doing it is a whole nother can of worms. It is a HARD hustle and succesful builders have 2 things in common...they are extremely organized and cheap as hell...if they can save a dollar on a cabinet by knocking a baby out of a stroller that baby has had a baaaaddddd day....

Anyone who has spent time in the construction industry should have the skills and the contacts to build their own home. It was very common even 50 years ago. Doing it on a budget is where the devlish details lie...it can be done...I have done it and know many folks who have...but most people fall into the "its only $50 more...." trap and the first thing they know they are so far over budget it is amusing even to them. It is a HARD hustle to build houses at a profit....
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
11307 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 2:47 pm to
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Start asking for documentation. Estimations vs actuals.



If you have waited until the dirt is turned over youre too late...the actuals will be so far ahead of the estimations you will wonder, often out loud, how it is that the builder ain't retired on a Carribean island with the efficiencies he has displayed on your project.....front loading is contracting 101 'cause ain't no builder floating your project. Unless he is an idiot....
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
19850 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 2:52 pm to
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It really ain't that hard to do...

Exactly. Why dude is pretending I didn't or couldn't is beyond me.
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It is a HARD hustle to build houses at a profit....

My old man did this for a few years, long before i joined his labor force. He's infinitely more organized than myself, so I knew this wasn't for me if he hated all the cat herding involved.
Posted by SmokinBurger
Bayou Self
Member since Sep 2021
428 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 2:56 pm to
What is the average or going rate per sq to build a house right now? Just got quoted around $130sq ft.

My lot is paid for, just trying to get some rough prices.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
6211 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 2:58 pm to
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Not sure if this is even a thing anymore with the current generation buying houses


Always be looking for better locations and opportunities.
Posted by turnpiketiger
Lone Star State
Member since May 2020
11222 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:00 pm to
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Literally not a dime, because I actually built it myself.


Edge Lord alert
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19261 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:10 pm to
I didn’t go over. I designed my house and didn’t have any change orders. Those are where a lot of your cost overruns are.
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
2903 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:16 pm to
We've avoided every one of those overruns on our Barn build by not having any allowances.
Posted by jennyjones
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2006
9735 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:23 pm to
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That would be my builder’s $12K mistake. Not my problem.


That sounds good in normal times, but with the crazy inflation over the last 2-3 years alot of builders have walked away from projects
Posted by Richard Grayson
Bestbank
Member since Sep 2022
2149 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:27 pm to
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Re-doing our kitchen...yeah, I''ll put the Ferguson's kids through college.




It's sad when people dont shop local. Ferguson is owned by London based company. At minimum try and keep your money in the country if not your own community.
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
10064 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:32 pm to
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It really ain't that hard to do


At my high school reunion me and a buddy were talking to a guy we graduated with who now builds houses. My friend said man that is really cool I could never build a house. He took a sip of beer and thought about it a few seconds then said “ Hell I guess I could build one it probably ain’t that hard but I damn sure wouldn’t want to live in it.”
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 9:55 pm
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175706 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:32 pm to
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Ferguson will be the death of me.



Pro tip...Build.com, which is owned by Ferguson, sells their liquidation pallets through Liquidation.com. I have a $6K bathtub and faucet set up for about $2K invested from buying auctions on there. Really I got it cheaper than that if you add the value of the other items that were in the auctions. It was two separate lots. One for the tub and one for the faucet. Each auction cost me $1K shipped. The tub is normally $3500 and the faucet is normally $2400 with the valve.

I have done this for my personal house and for flips and saved a lot of money on fixtures

ETA: Here is the tub

LINK

This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 3:40 pm
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175706 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:33 pm to
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We've avoided every one of those overruns on our Barn build by not having any allowances.




Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
60780 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:37 pm to
Nowadays, it seems like you better have about 25% contingency.
Posted by BeauxDidley
Member since Dec 2021
110 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:53 pm to
Let me let you know a little secret buddy, that's how contractors make their money , change orders and under cutting allowances . This way the price seems low and they get you in on the contract. Once the contract is signed then they get you and you are stuck.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
17377 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:51 pm to
I don’t remember going I’ve too bad. A few K here and there.

What got me was the pool, electronic gate, fencing, home generator, outdoor kitchen and extra drainage. Thought I have years to get that stuff done but wife wanted it all done before we moved in or not long after.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 4:52 pm
Posted by Legion of Doom
Old Metry
Member since Jan 2018
5276 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 6:08 pm to
Renovated my house down to the studs in 2019/2020. Went about 40k over estimate.
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