re: What’s your opinion of paid maternity/paternity leave?

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I'd be receptive to a pitch from the right on this. The pitch from the left begins with "those evil companies aren't treating you fairly."

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+1.

A conservative approach to parental leave would have a solid basis in a pro-family, pro-life stance. Like it or not, the people you don't want having kids are having them. The people you want having kids are being told to suck it up and take your annual leave if you want a kid, but you better be back at work Monday. Long term that's not a strategy for success.

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Do you remember when America was great? We didn't have all this type of shite. All this is is more woke shite. Be a man. By the way when America was great dads didn't take this type of leave and raised great kids.

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You mean back when dad could make enough money to pay the mortgage and food on the table while mom stayed home with the kids? Yeah, that’s not possible for the majority of working people anymore.

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more word salad that means pretty much mothing

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STUDIES AND EXPERTS SAY IT DOES THOUGH.

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So you don't want "emotional word salad" but also studies and evidence are gay woke nonsense? What exactly is it that you want to see?

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Their kids turned into hippies dude

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Not true, mostly the leftist liberal ones. There were eight of us in our family, no hippies. And before that generation, good strong America getting things built and no hippies.

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A conservative approach to parental leave would have a solid basis in a pro-family, pro-life stance. Like it or not, the people you don't want having kids are having them. The people you want having kids are being told to suck it up and take your annual leave if you want a kid, but you better be back at work Monday. Long term that's not a strategy for success.

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Yep. Sample pitch:

- More moms are working than ever. And they have a lot to offer the businesses they work for.

- But both moms and kids need each other during formative times in particular. We've got to find a way to make this work.

- If government requires leave to make this reality, government should help ease the burden on businesses that will do the heavy lifting in implementing it. The government should not be in the business of asking companies to undertake policy initiatives without being assisted and rewarded in that effort.

- If businesses want to extend that to dads, government is all about that too. Scientifically it's not as crucial to child welfare, but here's the incentive we can provide businesses who do X,Y, Z on paternity leave.

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yes, our culture needs fathers and fathers are crucial to teh development of their children. but a dad being around their infant kid for eight weeks has no impact on that kid's development.

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between fricking over your co-workers by taking two months

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I think it says a lot about people that view Dads taking time to be with their family as "fricking over co workers".

I have a co worker on paternity leave right now. No one is mad about him being gone. Its encouraged.

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yeah, pretty much. in this context for sure.

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The only person currently being emotional about this is you.

Just FYI.

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You mean back when dad could make enough money to pay the mortgage and food on the table while mom stayed home with the kids? Yeah, that’s not possible for the majority of working people anymore.

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And he could do it by selling milk or some other run of the mill job. Times have changed a lot, and we can acknowledge that AND still acknowledge that modern Americans are crybabies who often have no concept of self-sacrifice.

It's not "investing in your employees' families" like you seem to think it is. It's just another progressive hurricane of pressure like DEI. I am clearly all for having children, but in no way do we think they are anyone's responsibility but ours.

There are no free meals in nature. This "investment" gets passed down to everyone else, especially the other employees who have to take up their slack.

If Couple A has 3 kids in 5 years and Couple B has zero, do you really think it's fair that Couple B has to do their coworker's jobs while simultaneously receiving less time off? People do have other family responsibilities than just giving birth, you know.

The bigger question nobody seems to mention is why Americans have so little flexible work scheduling anyway.

I’m fine with a company choosing whatever they decide is best for the company but I’m against most government mandates