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re: What’s your opinion of paid maternity/paternity leave?
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:23 am to Sam Quint
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:23 am to Sam Quint
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ah yes, the other favorite prog tactic of just taking what i'm accusing you of
Progs live off emotion and have no concept of cause/effect. Thats why they constantly require more government assistance and corporate acquiescence.
Its also why everything has become so expensive.
This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 11:25 am
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:24 am to Sam Quint
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what isnt crucial is 8 weeks of hanging around an infant.
One of the smartest and most professionally successful humans to ever live, elon musk, disagrees with you.
But I guess you are smarter and have a better business acumen than him.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:24 am to jizzle6609
pretty sure it's perfectly legal in Arkansas
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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My wife had a stroke Monday, I am having to take a week off without pay, maybe more to be in Anchorage with her.
Who's covering your work while you're out? You don't sound too essential. I'd fire you if I were your boss.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:27 am to Ingeniero
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Who's covering your work while you're out?
My boss. Had to fly up from Ketchikan.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:27 am to Sam Quint
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this makes zero sense. you know who no one gives a shite about leaving for 8 weeks? the people that suck and dont contribute anyways.
Become the boss, fire all the people that don't contribute then. Problem solved.
Until then, man your post and let people use their vacation the way they want to use it or as designed by the current leadership.
Again, if you don't like it, fix it. That might mean work more or get additional education so there is a sacrifice associated with this.
Bottom line is if you stake a man's reputation over paternity leave then I kind of feel bad for you in a sense. I cant help people understand why this is just ridiculous.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:28 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Couple B is free to have kids and get that time “off” Life’s about choices. Couple B made their choice.
WHAT? Are you under the assumption that the biggest part of parenting is having the baby?
It's literally the easiest part of the whole deal. What we probably need is 6 weeks PTO for dads of teenage boys so they can take them fishing. Or for moms to just hang on the couch all day because...middle school daughters.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:30 am to JohnnyKilroy
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One of the smartest and most professionally successful humans to ever live, elon musk, disagrees with you.
i love Elon, but i'm not sure he is the familyman expert you seem to think he is. maybe go read his wiki.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:31 am to HouseMom
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What we probably need is 6 weeks PTO for dads of teenage boys so they can take them fishing.
Instead of whining and crying about mandating leave, I cant figure out how a grown arse man cant understand to use personal leave for these type of things.
This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 11:32 am
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Instead of whining and crying about mandating leave
I don't think you have actually read this thread TBH.
Because only one side of this debate is whining and crying.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:32 am to HouseMom
I don't think that's really responsive to what he's talking about but "we need parents to have spare time for their kids when older" is a valid consideration too.
But obviously teenage boys have greater self sufficiency than infants.
But the crux of his comment is that if people without kids are going to benefit from a society that children/youth/younger productive people filling needs in it, they're going to get the short end on some things (they already do in some respects).
If some progressive states want to make themselves hospitable to DINKs and less family-centric, I wouldn't oppose it (so long as the other states and federal government don't eventually have to bail out their aging population).
But obviously teenage boys have greater self sufficiency than infants.
But the crux of his comment is that if people without kids are going to benefit from a society that children/youth/younger productive people filling needs in it, they're going to get the short end on some things (they already do in some respects).
If some progressive states want to make themselves hospitable to DINKs and less family-centric, I wouldn't oppose it (so long as the other states and federal government don't eventually have to bail out their aging population).
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Instead of whining and crying about mandating leave, I cant figure out how a grown arse many cant understand to use personal leave for these type of things.
Why are you taking leave without pay rather than PTO for your wife?
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:33 am to Pettifogger
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Times have changed a lot, and we can acknowledge that AND still acknowledge that modern Americans are crybabies who often have no concept of self-sacrifice.
The former has a far greater impact than the latter.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:33 am to Salmon
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I don't think you have actually read this thread TBH.
absolutely have.
The old progressive line about investing in employees is a great example.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:33 am to DeafJam73
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The former has a far greater impact than the latter.
I disagree. But I acknowledge both problems/changes.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:34 am to Sam Quint
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yes, our culture needs fathers and fathers are crucial to teh development of their children. but a dad being around their infant kid for eight weeks has no impact on that kid's development.
So that's incorrect.
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Several studies affirm that early father-neonate contact not only fosters a close father-neonate relationship, but also hastens the development of paternal attachments. These benefits suggest that fathers may assume a greater role in early postpartum parental touch when new mothers are physically weak
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According to Mau and Huang (2010) [14], the father plays a pivotal role in terms of family functionality, childhood development, and child well-being [14]. Children with positive father-child relationships may develop models of caregivers as trustworthy and supportive and later approach others with positive attitudes and expectations [15].
Effects of Neo-Natal Skin to Skin Contact for Fathers
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Paternal involvement is significantly associated with infant neurodevelopment during early infancy, and maternal parenting stress partially mediates that association. This result emphasizes the importance of fathers’ involvement and mothers’ parenting stress on early infant neurodevelopment.
Paternal Involvement and early infant neurodevelopment: the mediation role of maternal parenting stress
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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absolutely have.
give some examples of "whining and crying about mandated leave" then
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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absolutely have.
The old progressive line about investing in employees is a great example.
Salmon is the board arbiter of what is crying and whining and what isnt. unsurprisingly, those of us he disagrees with are the ones being emotional and crying.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:36 am to DeafJam73
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The former has a far greater impact than the latter.
In the modern economy, we're expected to be professionals. That means organizing our life and work.
If a guy cant utilize his leave correctly, you hired poorly. Its up to him to deal with his life.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 11:36 am to BluegrassBelle
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BluegrassBelle
Didn't you hear him? Studies are dumb gay woke prog noise. Only feelings here
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