re: What's the greatest jungle cat?

To people saying a tiger would kill a grizzly, wrong. There are old reports out of cali I believe from the gold rush of them having animals fight to the death in a pit. Grizzly destroyed all and it wasn't close including tigers, lions, polar bears, other big cats, silverbacks and many other big animals.

Fact is the full grown grizzly in a one on one fight would destroy every other animal on the planet except maybe a polar bear if fought on ice. Any other place and it destroys them too.

I don't consider a lion a jungle cat

I love tigers, but the jaguar is probably the most "jungley" jungle cat.

Tiger /thread

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Wild dogs hunt in packs. What do you think a tigers success rate would be if they hunted in packs?

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So do lions. And how successful are they?

Edit: Successful on hunts.

Edit 2: I'll help you guys out, group hunting lions are successful about 30% of the time, and 17-19% of the time when alone. Jungle tigers are successful 5-10% of the time, while Amur (Siberian) tigers have more success in the snow (38-54% depending on prey species). According to these two links.

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Dominance of opponent - one on one an adult male tiger beats everything... strength and agility win out, even against a bear

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Prove it.

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Dominance of habitat - where big cats roam, they reign supreme... nothing tops them, it's that simple

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Hyenas give lions lots of trouble. Lions struggle and fail to take down Cape buffalo often, can't/rarely take on adult elephants, and will even get brushed off by giraffes.

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Dominance of the planet - big cats are THE apex predator in Africa, Asia, and South America... and put in a good showing in North America, but bears are #1 here tbh

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Wolves would be number 1 here in North America, likely would be in Europe as well, if we didn't do such a good job of exterminating them. And again North America, other than a few hundred or so jaguars in Mexico with rare vagrants north of the border (into Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas), is home to the puma, which is not a true big cat. And pumas range from Canada to Argentina, so tough to claim that for any continent.

Lots of different species from different families are apex predators, dependent on ecosystem, including badgers, snakes, and raccoons. We could always get into an ecology argument concerning top-down vs. bottom-up trophic systems going this route as well.

Besides, our whole argument is based on your statement of "greatest land predator," to which I gave evidence as to why something else is a better predator. You know, because they are way more efficient and catching prey. An African wild dog could not take on a big cat one on one. Cats are impressive, vicious killing machines which has been a very successful evolutionary build, and are often apex predators in their ecosystems.

If you want to base your argument on some fantasy beast battle royale, there isn't much left for us to talk about.

(Also, I'm taking a semantics stance on what the term "big cat" includes, the four members of Panthera that roar.)

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Grizzly destroyed all and it wasn't close including tigers, lions, polar bears, other big cats, silverbacks and many other big animals.

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I don't believe this for a fricking second.

Polar bears are much bigger, stronger, and are more savage hunters. Grizzlies catch trout out the water, polar bears pull small whales and big seals out the water.


Silver backs would be a close fight, but their size is comparable to a grizzly depending on gender (which makes a huge difference), but those frickers are insanely strong. Like tear through metal strong. And they are primates, thus far more intelligent than a bear. I guess a pit would level the mental aspect of it though. Idk about this one.


But no way a grizzly beats a polar bear every time.

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Upon googling, polar bears are at least twice the weight, longer arms, far more strength, longer claws, longer and sharper teeth, and have better stamina.

Jaguar

grizzly bear vs silverback

Your link proved nothing, nor was there an actual fight.
Grizzly's kill to live.
Gorillas eat leaves.
The Grizzly is a lot stronger and bigger. Doesn't matter how smart you are, unless that gorilla can invent a gun like a human, or learn how to make a knife, he's getting his arse handed too him real quick.

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Fact is the full grown grizzly in a one on one fight would destroy every other animal on the planet except maybe a polar bear if fought on ice.

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Kodiak bears (600-1400 Ib) and polar bears (772-1543 Ib) can be much larger than grizzly bears (400-790 Ib). Both polar bears and Kodiak bears also tend to have thicker coats. So I don't see how a grizzly would "destroy" either of the two.
A Kodiak or polar would most likely win a fight with any jungle cat (non hybrid).