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Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:40 am to Slippy
By my definition all Christians are evangelicals. To me, that word means to spread the gospel by any means necessary. Not sure if that is what the world means with that label or not though.
I understand what you're saying I think.... Why have someone just sitting there bored waiting to leave? I would respond by asking what the best way to find the lost was?
I understand what you're saying I think.... Why have someone just sitting there bored waiting to leave? I would respond by asking what the best way to find the lost was?
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:40 am to Roger Klarvin
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That's a lot to face
We all tell one another comfortable lies. There are certainly more empty lies than religious ones. Even if the more 'enlightened' among us can see the lie, I still think it is one to cling to tightly.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:41 am to BigEdLSU
When justice called for all my debts, the friend of sinners came instead.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:42 am to HempHead
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I go because I recognize the value in a religious community,
It's the one reason I have considered in any form going. There are good churches with good communities where you can meet decent well intentioned people. I just can't do it because I can't pretend to believe something that I don't. It would be a lie that I don't feel comfortable with.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:43 am to Roger Klarvin
A scientist such as yourself should be familiar with Pascal's wager.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:44 am to caliegeaux
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well, he already has, and then he died for you.
Are you claiming that god came down and revealed himself to Salmon and then died?
Do you think Salmon is 2000 years old? Or do you not understand the words you are typing?
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:45 am to BigEdLSU
Strippers and Blow.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:45 am to HempHead
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There are certainly more empty lies than religious ones.
Of course
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Even if the more 'enlightened' among us can see the lie, I still think it is one to cling to tightly.
I don't know, the world just makes more sense since I realized it was all a fairy tale. I no longer have to grapple with so many difficult moral and existential questions. In the light of an objective lack of meaning and purpose to existence, everything makes more sense.
Propping up religious belief requires tiring mental gymnastics and a rejection of the world we see around us. It's just too much work, and frankly I don't fear death enough to send 80 years doing that work.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:45 am to Peazey
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I just can't do it because I can't pretend to believe something that I don't. It would be a lie that I don't feel comfortable with.
Most of my life consists of bullshitting people for various purposes, church takes no exception.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:45 am to BigEdLSU
Stop singing things that are meant to be recited. It turns a prayer from 30 seconds to 6 minutes. All of those add up
Also the holding hands, this was never a thing when I was a kid. Now I get dirty looks bc I don't want to limply hold a stranger's hand.
ETA: No announcements about the bake sale that is coming up or the flyers handed in my face that I litter my car with because it would be disrespectful to throw on the ground.
Also the holding hands, this was never a thing when I was a kid. Now I get dirty looks bc I don't want to limply hold a stranger's hand.
ETA: No announcements about the bake sale that is coming up or the flyers handed in my face that I litter my car with because it would be disrespectful to throw on the ground.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 10:48 am
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:47 am to HempHead
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There are certainly more empty lies than religious ones.
I would say that the scary thing is how unempty the lie is. If were just a comforting story people told themselves in times of discomfort, that would be one thing.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:47 am to Roger Klarvin
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Propping up religious belief requires tiring mental gymnastics and a rejection of the world we see around us. It's just too much work, and frankly I don't fear death enough to send 80 years doing that work.
Much like any other social organization, all one must do is say the right things. Belief is not a requirement, although it makes the acting more natural.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:48 am to BigEdLSU
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What would it take to get you to go to church?
Something worth believing in.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:49 am to Hester Carries
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I would say that the scary thing is how unempty the lie is. If were just a comforting story people told themselves in times of discomfort, that would be one thing.
It feels empty to me. I find it impossible to truly believe what is said and taught, but that does not mean I reject it.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:49 am to HempHead
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all one must do is say the right things. Belief is not a requirement
see...I play this game with my family. They don't know my real beliefs. I have yet to "come out" to them as I'm afraid of how they may react.
And it's growing really tiresome. I'm almost at the point of telling them.
But the "just say the right things and go along" approach gets old...quick.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:49 am to HempHead
I say this with love. You have a warped and distorted view of Christianity. I apologize on behalf of whoever the source of the misinformation was. You couldnt be more wrong.
All it takes it faith. That's it. Nothing more. Believe
All it takes it faith. That's it. Nothing more. Believe
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:49 am to To the Dome
30 min or less - no singing - no healing stuff etc - pay me to be there.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:50 am to BigEdLSU
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scientist such as yourself should be familiar with Pascal's wager.
I am, and it's a nonsensical emotional appeal. Why should I believe something someone made up just on the off chance it's true? Bevause this particular make believe story says I will go to Hell if I don't believe it?
Moreover, which religion do I wager on? If Islam is true, most non-Muslims go to hell. If Christianity is true, all non-Christians go to hell. If Buddhism or Judaism is true, there is no hell.
Finally, if God were real, he'd know if I was giving intellectual assent just to save my arse. True belief isn't a choice, and I can't close to believe in something I know isn't true.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:51 am to BigEdLSU
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All it takes it faith. That's it. Nothing more. Believe
sounds so simple, doesn't it?
but what if a person simply cannot believe?
I cannot force myself to believe something
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