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re: What was Hitler’s worst blunder?

Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:27 pm to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:27 pm to
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besides going full retard and invading the Soviet Union.


Sort of. He was always going to go into Russia but where he messed up was not taking out England and consolidating power in Europe before turning eyes toward Russia. While the RAF was able to hold the skies, the UK's navy was scattered and their ground units were pretty devastated after Dunkirk.

Had Hitler made a naval attempt to put an invasion force on English soil while the Luftwaffe kept the RAF engaged, he may well have been able to take the British Isles out of play for the Allies prior to Pearl Harbor.

After that he could have consolidated power for a few years THEN turned a much heavier focus on Russia (during the spring/summer, of course).
Posted by REG861
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:28 pm to
Bombing pearl harbor
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:29 pm to
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Hitler made it legal to be a brutal thug so long as you were an Aryan persecuting non-Aryans/Communists.


And there is my point, Hitler OK'd it and allowed it.
Posted by Commandeaux
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:30 pm to
I'll also say that in Operation Barbarosa, he failed to secure the much needed oil fields by bypassing them to try to capture Stalin's namsesake city...Stalingrad.

Also, this cost him time. He was well on his way to Moscow before the winter.

Also, once Stalin realized Japan wasn't going to attack from the East, it probably wouldn't have made a difference anyway. Stalin pulled his troops from the East and the war was pretty much over at that point.
Posted by SM6
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:31 pm to
Probably not the biggest, but surely impactful was his decision not to go all-in on jet propulsion in 1938/1939. Similar to the strategic bomber, Goering told him that the Me109 was more than up to the challenge. More plentiful jets would have given him a much better advantage in the Battle of Britain (understanding that they wouldn't have something as capable as the Me262), but if he had been able to establish air superiority he would have been able to stage an amphibious landing on British soil. Hell there were elements in the Irish community that would have risen upo and taken the fight to Belfast had the Nazis made a foothold in England.

A close second is not throwing all of their resources into the V rocket program at Pennemunde until it was too late to make a difference.

I'm not sure they had the scientific or industrial capacity to realistically build an atomic weapon once the Allies established air superiority. Basically, not gaining air superiority over the Allies was a huge, huge blunder.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:36 pm to
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And there is my point, Hitler OK'd it and allowed it.


But you’re simplfying down to Hitler, which makes me think you don’t know much about German history. Do you really think if 99% Germany disagreed with him that he would have ever come to power and keep it? The Nazis were fricking elected into power.

The Nazi Party predated Hitler joining it. Lots and lots of people had these thoughts before Hitler publicly expressed them. They encouraged Hitler every step of the way (at least until Stalingrad) to take it further. Hitler was fricked in the head, but people even worse and more creative than him put Nazism into horrifyingly effective practice that Hitler himself wasn’t capable of. Sorry, but the German people have a lot to answer for Hitler’s rise to power. Tons weren’t being held hostage and Hitler was a dream come true for them.
This post was edited on 3/8/19 at 1:43 pm
Posted by rantfan
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:38 pm to
Taping all the dirty shite that was going on?
Posted by Jaydeaux
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:45 pm to
It wasn’t that he attacked Russia. He had them played and was already moving on them before they knew what was up. His mistake was his treatment of the Russians. They didn’t like their own government but Hitler was determined to exterminate them as part of his plan. Embrace the Russians civilians and keep moving forward when conditions were good and he was set. Just listen to Ghosts of the Ostfront. All you need to know
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:50 pm to
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The Nazi Party predated Hitler joining it.


Yeah, it was the German Worker's Party and Hitler joined it, became their spokesman and raised membership with his oratory over the next few years and then it became what we now know as the Nazi Party.

The guy, once in power had his hands in every aspect of how things were going to be done. The fact his own generals, on the morning of D-Day wouldn't wake him in fear of reprisals should tell you something about how much power this guy wielded, and how absolute it was.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:56 pm to
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Declaring war on the USA. Before Pearl Harbor Hitler really wanted to get America involved in the war as an excuse to attack and spread to the states. Eventually he got his wish and it turned out really really bad for him.

But the real answer is trying to fight the Russians in the winter was the beginning of the end for Hitler. Up until that point Germany seemed unstoppable.





This is the largest blunder I believe, but it stems from his impatience I think. Looking back, that dude was so geeked out on AMPH that he was irrational and impatient, thankfully. If he would have stretched this out two or three more years we may have a very different outcome, but bc he was banging pharma meth daily I think his patience went out the window and thankfully he did too. It is scary that 90% of the Reich's casualties were handed to them in the last 11 months of the war...
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:01 pm to
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besides going full retard and invading the Soviet Union.



While it’s true that invading the Soviet Union could be considered his greatest blunder, it’s a little known fact that there is a good chance he realized war with the Soviet Union was inevitable. In fact, there is ample, albeit controversial evidence the Soviets were planning an invasion of a Germany slated for July of 1941. One main thing that points to this is the massive cauldron battles the Germans were able to achieve early on that netted massive numbers of entire Soviet Armies swallowed up. These Soviet armies were massed at the border with Germany. But they were not in defensive positions, rather they were massed in a manner to move. This points to the Soviets having an offensive rather than defensive stance at that time.

One thing that’s often overlooked is that while the Red Army of 1941 was reeling from both Stalinist purges in the 30s that had crippled it’s officer corps, and humiliation at the hands of the Finns only months before, the Soviets were already in the process of rebuilding and rearming the Red Army to possibly unleash it westward. And one need only look at a map of Europe to realize who sits directly west of the USSR at that time.

So, to understand Hitler’s thinking at that time, one has to look at things from his perspective. While it’s true Hitler did indeed want to build his “Thousand Year Reich” by conquest in the east, namely at the expense of the Soviet Union, he also was faced with the traditional Germanic worry of hordes of Slavic barbarians streaming west like a massive swarm of locusts. He knew, or thought he knew, that at that time the Soviets were not really ready. The Red Army was still weak he thought. The Red Air Force was still made up of mostly obsolete aircraft, which he was correct. But he also knew that the Soviets were rapidly redressing their problems.

So basically, it’s arguable that Hitler was faced with a question of
(A) do I Strike now while I have the chance?
Or
(B) Do I do nothing while the Red Army is rebuilt and ready for Stalin to unleash it upon Germany?

Now, we having the benifit of hindsight know full well the outcome of things. But remember, Hitler did not. So we have to set aside what we know and instead look at what did Hitler know at that time? Once you do that, you get a better understanding of what went into Hitler’s decision to invade the Soviet Union.

(And for the record, I think it can be argued that it was as big, or even bigger decision to declare war on the US following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. While it’s possible to see at least some logic in his decision to invade the USSR, I cannot find any logic in his decision to bring the US into the European War. If anything, Hitler should have viewed the war between Japan & America as a good thing to keep the American occupied in the the Pacific instead of helping the allies in Europe.)
This post was edited on 3/8/19 at 2:04 pm
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:09 pm to
Probably that he didn’t have Jan Michael Vincent in his 2019 Death Pool.

Or something something Eva Braun’s snatch.
Posted by DeCat ODahouse
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:09 pm to
There was an excellent professor in the history department at LSU in the 90's, Dr. Stan Hilton, who taught a class on WWII. He was retired military, very apolitical; it was a great class.
Two of his points:
Hitler defeated himself by invading the Soviet Union late in the fall of 1941. Hitler did so against the advice of his generals because he thought the sheer will of German soldiers could overcome the effect of Russian winters.

Point two: Hitler had no strategic military training; he was a liberal arts school drop out, enlisted man from WWI with almost zero world travel under his belt. Therefore his expert career officers could not convince him of the vast superiority of the manufacturing capability of American industry. He declared war on the USA against their advice.

Hmm... a power crazed socialist nut who thinks man controls the climate and underestimates the value of the US industry. Sure glad we don't have to worry about that anymore.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:12 pm to
Not going through the Ukraine and Western Russia as conquering liberators to drum up support and conscripts from the locals.

Instantly being as bad and worse as the Soviets was bad policy when colonization and the putting down the boot could have been done after political and military defeat of Stalin.

Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:17 pm to
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besides going full retard and invading the Soviet Union.


His ultimate goal was to invade and conquer the Soviet Union. He had been talking openly about it since the 20s. To him, invading the Soviet Union wasn't a mistake, and it very well could have succeeded if not for one essential blunder.

Had Hitler not ordered the panzer divisions of Army Group Centre south to assist in the capture of Kiev, it's quite possible the German army enters Moscow before the October rains begin. Now whether or not that would have been the end of the conflict is another matter entirely. Just over a century before, Napoleon successfully captured Moscow and it did nothing for him in his war against the Russians.



Posted by arcalades
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:59 pm to
being brainwashed by Margaret Sanger
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 3:03 pm to
Doing a lot of methamphetamine.

Do you know Hitler had a fear of horses?
Posted by rallyTiger
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 3:11 pm to
The London blitz, he lost a shite ton of aircraft he couldn't replace trying to bomb the British populace into submission, and it had the exact opposite effect on the british population, it just made them want to fight the Germans harder
Posted by kciDAtaE
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 3:13 pm to
Probably killing all those Jews
Posted by GarnetStrand
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 3:17 pm to
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Hitler made it legal to be a brutal thug so long as you were an Aryan persecuting non-Aryans/Communists.


Oh no he wanted Communists dead, how horrible!
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