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re: What started New Orleans on its downward trajectory?

Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:07 pm to
Must resist thread.
Posted by Boo Krewe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:07 pm to
BR is doing better then Nola
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:10 pm to
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BR is doing better then Nola


Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:10 pm to
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BR is doing better then Nola

Nah. Nola actually gained jobs year over year in March (pre Rona shutdown). It was the only metro to do so. The state lost 20k jobs.
Posted by Lock,Stock
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:11 pm to
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New Orleans is better than Houston and Atlanta


Define "better"
Posted by mulletproof
Shambala
Member since Apr 2013
4672 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:11 pm to
Large sailing ships that could regularly cross the Atlantic Ocean with "cargo".
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
58832 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:16 pm to
1. of a more excellent or effective type or quality.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:17 pm to
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BR is doing better then Nola



how so?
Posted by rallyTiger
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:17 pm to
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New Orleans is better than Houston and Atlanta


Houston and Atlanta have about 6 million people each in their metro areas, new Orleans has barely over a million so about 11 million people disagree with you
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:17 pm to
Three quick bites so far for Boo Krewe
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:20 pm to
Huey P Long: Dirty Deeds "Win or Lose Corporation"

Stuff like this is why NOLA and Louisiana have been terrible forever.
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11616 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:20 pm to
I’d imagine it was the rise of Houston as it’s direct competitor in the petrochemical industry. But what started the rise of Houston? Probably something political. Texas state government, LBJ, etc.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 4:34 pm
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
4878 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:21 pm to
I regard New Orleans in a similar capacity as Charleston. They were once important and prominent on a national scale, and are now both niche, tourism-focused towns. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Both are great, and equally unique in their own way; albeit, I prefer New Orleans.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 3:22 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
58832 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:28 pm to
Delhi, India must be great then
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7026 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:30 pm to
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I think I read somewhere that new Orleans was the same size as new York City in the year 1900, population wise, and the leaders of the city ran it like it was always gonna be that way, they still do till this day, they don't understand new Orleans is not the major city it was


You might have read that somewhere, but the source was very wrong. The population of New York in 1900 was about 3.5 Million. The poulation of Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi was about 4 Million at that time. Population of New Orleans was almost 300,000.

That said, culturally New Orleans is America's most significant city.

Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:31 pm to
Where did the 628,000 people live when that was the population in the 60s. Are there really that many vacant areas now that 300,000 more people could fit in the city?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40170 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:35 pm to
A few things.

1) The city, and really the metro area, is geographically locked in. Even with the eventual building of new crossings over the MS River and the Lake, the metro area could only get so big. Even if everything was done right, no way it could ever grow to 5 plus million.

2) Hurricane Betsy hit in 1965, and gave a lot of business leaders pause about expanding big companies into the area.

3) Terrible, corrupt leadership by both the city AND the state. Don't underplay the state's role here... they are just as corrupt as the city was.

4) Houston and Atlanta were fortunate enough to have some companies really explode into large companies. Some moved there before they blew up, some blew up there. Remember, Delta Air Lines began not in Atlanta, but in Monroe. Texas Air became huge when it bought Continental and moved it to Houston.

A lot of the oil companies based Texas/Southwest Ops out of Houston GOM ops out of NOLA. After the oil bust, they consolidated their two ops, and far too often, NOLA was the loser. By that time, Houston was a bigger city, with a bigger airport, and it just made more sense.

SYSCO is a local companies to Houston that hit it big. USA Waste bought out Waste Management and moved it to Houston.

Home Depot made it big, Obviously Coke, etc.

New Orleans just never really had companies that made it big.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112020 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:37 pm to
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When the mob (i.e. Marcello et al) got run out of town.


This is actually true.

They knew to just take their taste, not kill the host.

They were replaced by people that didn't subscribe to that view.
Posted by yaboidarrell
westbank
Member since Feb 2017
6285 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:37 pm to
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Where did the 628,000 people live when that was the population in the 60s. Are there really that many vacant areas now that 300,000 more people could fit in the city?
Nola East (an area almost as big as the rest of the city) is probably 50% vacant. That's a good thing considering the current makeup of the East.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40170 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 3:37 pm to
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Where did the 628,000 people live when that was the population in the 60s. Are there really that many vacant areas now that 300,000 more people could fit in the city?


Downtown, a lot of people lived above the stores downtown. A lot of people living large housing projects. And, more people lived in a house. Back then, a 3 bedroom house might have 6 people in it. (2 parents, 2 kids in each room). Now, kids don't share rooms very often.
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