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Posted on 10/11/21 at 6:46 pm to jchamil
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Damn that was fast. Modern medicine/tech is amazing
You should read about the DARPA project headed by Dr Hepburn and the work Dr Crowe's team at Vanderbilt did last year. DARPA has really been pushing medicine for sequencing to anti-viral in 60 days. While it didn't exactly happen with COVID, mRNA may change that in the next potential pandemic. mRNA is poised to be a significant gamechanger in the speed and efficacy of the medicine.
Dr. Crowe's team is the one that found the cure for the Spanish Flu by finding active antibodies in living survivors of the 1918 pandemic.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 6:59 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:08 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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I'm not one, I am vaccinated. When I have kids, they will be vaccinated.
What vaccines are you talking about? Measles, mumps, and rubella?
Because that’s a totally different issue than a COVID vaccine. For instance, did your kids have to keep getting boosters for measles mumps and rubella every 6 months so they don’t get it?
The COVID vaccine isn’t sterilizing immunity. So it’s not going to make COVID disappear. It’s a different conversation because it’s not that traditional “protect the community” argument.
It’s better to compare it to a flu shot.
Did you ever care if other people didn’t get the flu shot?
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:35 pm to Obtuse1
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I understand that COVID has changed the landscape and shifted views but disease immunity has always been a communal issue in a society from a science and thus public policy POV.
THIS is where things get a bit ambiguous to me, as a person devoid of any professional medical training/education.
My brother and his wife both work for the NIH as neuroscientists. Their lab doesn't deal with infectious disease but they were taught this stuff back in school.
I made the comment to him that, despite being rigidly "pro vax", I really don't give a shite if someone chooses not go get vaccinated. It's their choice. If they want to take the risk catching a disease that could have long-term health impacts, more power to them. I made my choice and I feel I made the right choice.
He looked at me in disbelief because he felt I was ignoring a YUGE aspect of COVID...specifically, mutations. If we, as a global society, aren't vaccinated enough to render the virus essentially 'dead', then it will inevitably mutate as it continues to live.
IF, and that's a big "IF", he's right, well then hell yes we should be requiring vaccination just as we did for polio. Your personal feelings and "muh freedom" fall by the wayside when your choices potentially harm my personal property (health, family, normal life, etc.).
But do we know this to be 100% true? Can we even make that judgement this early in the pandemic or is this something we won't know until it mutates?
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:36 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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It’s better to compare it to a flu shot.
They're hardly in the same ballpark. Flu shots are literally an educated guess of which strains may be present in any particular year. With COVID, we have a handle on what's out there (so far).
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:45 pm to GumboPot
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The FDA is on my side too.
The FDA is the government. You want to be on their side, Marxist?
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:49 pm to ChatRabbit77
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It is dangerous to not vaccinate your kids.
You just made tat up didn't you.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:05 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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IF, and that's a big "IF", he's right, well then hell yes we should be requiring vaccination just as we did for polio. Your personal feelings and "muh freedom" fall by the wayside when your choices potentially harm my personal property (health, family, normal life, etc.). But do we know this to be 100% true? Can we even make that judgement this early in the pandemic or is this something we won't know until it mutates?
by this retarded arse logic - why aren’t we all still 24/7 panicking? why did we ever come out of lockdown? who’s crazy enough not to where a mask? why not wear 2 masks even if alone? when is the soonest i can get my 2nd booster?
gtfo mmmcum
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:05 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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With COVID, we have a handle on what's out there (so far).
And yet, the only shots available are based on the original COVID that broke onto the scene last year, not all of the variants that have popped up. We have no idea what the true effectiveness of the vaccines are against those variants.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:05 pm to East Coast Band
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thought this was a current thread that everyone on the first 2 pages were just being facetious I
I read on page 2 that Jenny McCarthy did a porno and I’ve spent the last 2 1/2 years trying to find it.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:08 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Seems dishonest. Are you conflating measles vaccine with COVID vaccine?
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:09 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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He looked at me in disbelief because he felt I was ignoring a YUGE aspect of COVID...specifically, mutations. If we, as a global society, aren't vaccinated enough to render the virus essentially 'dead', then it will inevitably mutate as it continues to live.
This thing is bouncing around and infecting vaccinated people. It's not going away, it's not going to be rendered "dead". That's why most experts are talking about it becoming endemic.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:12 pm to Klark Kent
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by this retarded arse logic - why aren’t we all still 24/7 panicking? why did we ever come out of lockdown? who’s crazy enough not to where a mask? why not wear 2 masks even if alone? when is the soonest i can get my 2nd booster?
gtfo mmmcum
Because we don't know he's right? Thus my question?
BTW dude, you thinking about changing your name now that Klark has come out of the closet as bisexual? Like, you don't want everyone to think you enjoy sucking dick once in a while, right?
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:18 pm to mmmmmbeeer
weak. go brush your teeth hillbilly, i can smell your mouth rot through my screen.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:21 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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If we, as a global society, aren't vaccinated enough to render the virus essentially 'dead', then it will inevitably mutate as it continues to live.
This was stated by crazy4lsu a loooong time ago. In short, without a global response, then local responses are pretty much worthless towards eradication.
You also left off natural immunity. It would have worked in the absence of a vaccine (albeit, with short term carnage...but the virus would be a thing of the past at this point).
In short, only one option was presented (partially vaccinated the globe which allowed for variants to spring up), and it was a poor choice. Who knows how long we will deal with Covid going forward? Vaccines, at least at this point, are not the answer. They are simply symptom mitigators. While important in the short term, long term globally...who knows?
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:23 pm to Klark Kent
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weak. go brush your teeth hillbilly, i can smell your mouth rot through my screen.
So you're really going to stick with it, eh? Woke culture done got ahold you, baw!
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:25 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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He looked at me in disbelief because he felt I was ignoring a YUGE aspect of COVID...specifically, mutations. If we, as a global society, aren't vaccinated enough to render the virus essentially 'dead', then it will inevitably mutate as it continues to live.
IF, and that's a big "IF", he's right, well then hell yes we should be requiring vaccination just as we did for polio. Your personal feelings and "muh freedom" fall by the wayside when your choices potentially harm my personal property (health, family, normal life, etc.).
But do we know this to be 100% true?
There is a huge flaw in this logic.
You are missing the fact that the SARs CoV-2 vaccine is an mRNA vaccine that codes for one specific protein. The polio vaccine is made up an attenuated poliovirus with the full array of proteins that make up the poliovirus.
When the attenuated poliovirus is introduced into your bloodstream you are getting the entire array of poliovirus protein antigens (to form antibodies against).
Whereas with the mRNA COVID vaccine you are only getting one spiked protein antigen to build up antibodies.
This is the issue with the Delta variant. The Delta variant has one different amino acid on it's spiked protein than the Alpha variant. Thus you are seeing or have seen breakthrough cases with the Delta variant. (The good news is the Delta variant is weaker than the alpha but is more contagious which is an epidemiological behaviour that all viruses follow.)
The mRNA provides very narrow immunity. Only one protein antigen. The best immunity is natural immunity because you have developed antibodies to all COVID protein antigens.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:28 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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So you're really going to stick with it, eh? Woke culture done got ahold you, baw!
you should stick to brushing and flossing your teeth regularly. it helps with the expensive dentist visits.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:28 pm to Esquire
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The FDA is on my side too.
The FDA is the government. You want to be on their side, Marxist?
Haha. The point was the FDA was my source for the requirement that doctors inform their patients that BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine is not FDA approved.
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