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re: What is the simplest thing you have ever had to explain to a competent adult?

Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:52 am to
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:52 am to
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Two separate people, one 20 and the other almost 40, thought going from 3 to 5 was a 2% increase instead of a 66.7% increase. I asked them both a number of questions to test their knowledge, and they failed just about every one of them. I have found this to be a common occurrence among adults.


That is actually confusing if you don't give them more info.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:06 am to
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That going outside barefoot when its cold and wet will make you sick.



My grandma would say this all the time.



I am questioning the abilities of the posters in this thread that say they needed 30 minutes to explain a simple concept to a person that did not understand it.

How well are they explaining it?

It shouldn't take that long. Maybe they don't know it that well themselves.
Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:15 am to
When I recently spent several months in Hattiesburg, I encountered multiple people that thought there are 52 states. I'm not sure if it was just something taught in the area or what
Posted by LeonPhelps
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:51 am to
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That is actually confusing if you don't give them more info.


I did provide more info. I made it clear I was talking about absolute numbers. I may have used something like from 3 balls to 5 balls. I tried out different numbers to see if just that one example was the hang up. They had no grasp of percentages at all.
Posted by LeonPhelps
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:52 am to
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When I recently spent several months in Hattiesburg, I encountered multiple people that thought there are 52 states. I'm not sure if it was just something taught in the area or what


An extremely smart Vietnamese coworker thought there were only 5 continents. they were taught that Antartica or Australia do no count (can't remember which) and that North and South America was one continent since they both had America in it.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:53 am to
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Two separate people, one 20 and the other almost 40, thought going from 3 to 5 was a 2% increase instead of a 66.7% increase. I asked them both a number of questions to test their knowledge, and they failed just about every one of them. I have found this to be a common occurrence among adults.




There are people on this site who not only don't know that a decrease from 10% to 7% is a 30% decrease, but were so firmly sure of themselves that they actually called out the person who asserted it. Not sure who it was, but they actually gave him shite about it. For some reason, they thought that the fact that it was percentages instead of raw numbers made a difference. They literally couldn't comprehend that, just as 7 is 30% less than 10, 7% of x is 30% less than 10% of x.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:57 am to
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Two separate people, one 20 and the other almost 40, thought going from 3 to 5 was a 2% increase instead of a 66.7% increase. I asked them both a number of questions to test their knowledge, and they failed just about every one of them. I have found this to be a common occurrence among adults.


That is actually confusing if you don't give them more info.



How is it confusing? What more information is needed to calculate the percentage difference between 3 and 5? Or between 3% and 5%, for that matter? 5 is 66.7% more than 3. 5% is 66.7% more than 3%.

Not confusing at all.
Posted by sbr2
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:01 am to
Having to explain anything car related usually leads me to these sort of interactions. I had to watch once as my old man explained to a gentleman that the "turbocharger" on his bone stock vehicle was in fact an alternator. Also, those two vertical stripes people throw on above the drivers side front wheel indicate that you are a rookie on a race course - whereas most folks do it because "it looks cool"
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:04 am to



Had a guy on here just last month argue with me and call me an idiot using this exact argument when it came to people on food stamps. His argument was pretty much 'if you don't know some random persons status then it's a 50/50 chance they are on food stamps since there is only 2 outcomes, either on them or not on them'..... You can't have intelligent conversation with someone like that.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:06 am to
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They literally couldn't comprehend that, just as 7 is 30% less than 10, 7% of x is 30% less than 10% of


I think you are getting into semantics here. It IS a 3% difference. So someone may view that as a decrease of 3%.

I mean if I had 50 widgets and lost 25 of them, I'd say I had a decrease of 25 widgets just as soon as I'd say I have a decrease of 50% of my widgets. If I lost 10% more, I may say I had a decrease of 5 apples, not necessarily say I had a 20% decrease.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:06 am to
That's awesome
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:12 am to
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I think you are getting into semantics here. It IS a 3% difference. So someone may view that as a decrease of 3%.


Incorrect. It is a 3 percentage points difference, but not 3%. Huge difference.
Posted by dcrews
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:17 am to
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Slang Day was epic - did that continue in the later years?


I believe so. It's been a while (took the class in 2003).

His stories were hilarious. The "frick speech" was also pretty damn good.

Was sad when I heard he left the university years ago.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:19 am to
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Have to travel East on the bridge to get to the West Bank


I've been on the losing side of this argument before. Compass directions can be hell in the Chocolate City.
Posted by dcrews
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:24 am to
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I have explained at great length that multiplying by 1.33 will not create a 33% profit margin. They cannot grasp gross profit not being synonymous with markup.
Cost $10x1.33= $13.30 so 3.30/13.30= 24.8% profit on the sale.
Cost $10/.67= $14.93 so 4.93/14.93= 33%
Even with this example there are a few fellow employees calling it fuzzy math. They say I'm lying to customers when I say I'm only making __% profit if I use this method.


I will say, when I first got into sales, I did struggle with this

It makes perfect since to me now but at the time, I thought people were nuts.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 8:25 am
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:32 am to
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How is it confusing? What more information is needed to calculate the percentage difference between 3 and 5? Or between 3% and 5%, for that matter? 5 is 66.7% more than 3. 5% is 66.7% more than 3%.

Not confusing at all.



He would need to explain it is a total of 5, or like he said in a follow up, 5 discreet numbers/objects.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:50 am to
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I mean if I had 50 widgets and lost 25 of them, I'd say I had a decrease of 25 widgets just as soon as I'd say I have a decrease of 50% of my widgets. If I lost 10% more, I may say I had a decrease of 5 apples, not necessarily say I had a 20% decrease.



You have to clarify what you are losing 10% of. If you have 25 and you lost 5, that would be losing 20% of what you had before you lost the 5. If you mean to express the percentage of the amount you had before you had 25, that requires clarification.

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I think you are getting into semantics here. It IS a 3% difference. So someone may view that as a decrease of 3%.


When you start with x and then the amount changes, the percentage change is based on the relationship of the new amount to x. If x = 10% of something and the amount changes to 7% of that something, the percentage change is 30%. As for semantics, yes, I guess in a way it is semantics because it is giving the words their actual meaning.

It would be accurate to say that the new amount is three percentage points lower than the old amount, but that's not the same as saying it's 3% lower because you are clarifying that the percentage change you are referring to is the percentage of the whole, not the percentage of the starting value.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:56 am to
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Incorrect. It is a 3 percentage points difference, but not 3%. Huge difference.



Exactly. If Bank A pays 1% interest on savings and Bank B pays 2%, Bank B pays twice as much interest (100% more), not 1% more.
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:06 am to
That the earth isn't 6000 years old.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:15 am to
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His argument was pretty much 'if you don't know some random persons status then it's a 50/50 chance they are on food stamps since there is only 2 outcomes, either on them or not on them'..... You can't have intelligent conversation with someone like that.


Did he mean in Louisiana?

If so, statistically there is like a 48% chance.
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