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re: What is the keys to winning the Pinewood Derby Championship?

Posted on 1/8/19 at 6:13 pm to
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 6:13 pm to
True story. Kid I grew up with, his father was an engineer at the NASA facility and he would take our wheels and nail axles to work and have them trued in the Space Shuttle shop. We always won. No telling what the tax dollar value of the undercarriage of our cars was back then.
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
2986 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 6:15 pm to
All of the things mentioned are key, but the one thing that separates the top cars and is most the difficult to get is axle alignment, especially in a rail runner car. That's going to you those few hundreds of a seconds difference with the other fast cars.

BTW... I've, er, my kids have built dozens of these things. My last kid is in his last year... so thank God for that. Sick of these damn things.
Posted by INFIDEL
The couch
Member since Aug 2006
16199 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 6:16 pm to
quote:

really more about fun.


And winning is how you have fun.

Bend rear axles. Polish and graphite. One front wheel off the ground. Weight to the rear.

It’s not cheating if the rules don’t say you can’t do it.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 6:20 pm to
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Without cheating.



"I" won by staying the Hell out of Dad's way.

don't think I laid a hand on that car but it smoked everybody else
Posted by DLauw
SWLA
Member since Sep 2011
6086 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 6:43 pm to
our best design. 4.98oz, polished/turned wheels, honed and bent axles, loaded with lead, three-wheeling greatness

2nd overall
Posted by MeridianDog
Home on the range
Member since Nov 2010
14186 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:26 pm to
Take emery cloth and jeweler rouge - put the wheel nails in a Dremel tool and buff the nails to absolute smoothness, then wax them and buff some more. The smoother they are, the better the wheels will turn. Buff graphite into the wheel openings where the nails will contact plastic. Make the nails as straight as possible when you tack them into place. You will need to make the car as close to maximum weight as possible and put the weights exactly over the wheels (front and back) The car needs to be balanced at mid point between wheels. Make sure the nails aren't driven too deep into the car to cause them to bind against the car or nail.


The car that won when our youngest son competed in the cubscout event belonged to a kid who nailed the wheels in place in his block of wood, wrote a number on the side with magic marker and raced it. What did he do to make it special? Nothing.
Posted by geauxturbo
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
4168 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:28 pm to
If you do nothing else

Alignment (rear only run straight (we used a treadmill and a string), front tire on slightly pulls to center of track, rail ride)..othe front tire doesnt touch. Bend nails so tires run out from body and can adjust steering.

Polish axles and cone the inside nail heads.

Buy a couple dozen wheels and pick the best or order honed and balanced wheels

As much weight in rear as possible. COG should be about a 1/2 inch in front of rear axle.

You'll do well with that.

Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36706 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:35 pm to
Graphite on the wheels from what I remember. Lol
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15503 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:18 pm to
YouTube ruined these things. Everyone watched the Mark Rober video and now pretends they knew all this back in the day.

Finding ways to get the front of your car to stick to the start gate without being obvious was always fun for me. It’s not cheating if you don’t get caught.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 8:19 pm
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:19 pm to
Nails? I didn't know there was nails involved. I thought it was just the block if wood, axles and wheels
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
16904 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:20 pm to
There are tons of small things you can do to win the Pinewood derby.

Reducing friction of the wheels and making sure you are exactly at the maximum weight is what I would focus on.

I would also make several cars and get to the track early for a few test runs. Pick out your fastest racer.

First, ignore the predrilled holes as they are notoriously not drilled square. Get a drill press and make sure that they are drilled at 90 degrees and have three of them at the same level and the last one should be drilled slightly higher so that this wheel does not touch the track (provides for less friction)

Bevel the wheel hubs so that they come to a point on the inside and bevel the axle away from the wheel to reduce friction as well.

Take the axles to your local dentist and have them spun on grinding wheel and polished with emory cloth and rouge (the stuff that makes gold crowns shiny).

Get an accurate metric scale and use washers and lead shot to raise the weight to the maximum limit.

Lastly, while I can't recall if it is legal, a bit of white graphite on the axels can't hurt and will probably go undetected.

Good luck.
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:26 pm to
quote:

Finding ways to get the front of your car to stick to the start gate without being obvious was always fun for me. It’s not cheating if you don’t get caught.



This is something that I had thought about but was too lazy to do when my young baw was in the scouts.

I imagine that you could cut out the front of the car in a tuning fork shape and use the cut out wood to create a Daytona like wing on the front of the car that would contact the starting pin higher up than the other cars. This would give you an automatic "hole shot" and beat the other cars off the line. I don't know if this would adversely affect the wind resistance and negate the advantage of the hole shot. You could test this concept with one of your cars.
Posted by tonydtigr
Beautiful Downtown Glenn Springs,Tx
Member since Nov 2011
5099 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:35 pm to
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only one thing of what you said is the big deal. you didnt say the other one........you want a rail hugger.



This and weight right up to the limit, as far back on chassis as possible, highly polished axles, and wheels with no burrs. Oh, and one front wheel raised above the rest so it doesn't contact track.

Ruzil, white graphite was legal when we raced about 10 years ago.

This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 8:39 pm
Posted by browl
North of BR
Member since Nov 2017
1571 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:42 pm to
Took little browl a few years ago to hobby lobby to buy the basic kit. We also bought a how to hotrod your derby car book.

First place. He designed it. I helped him build it.



Just get the book and have fun with it. We got lucky, maybe you will too.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119121 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:44 pm to
Add extra weight to front of car
Posted by mojeauxjeauxjo
BATON ROUGE
Member since May 2013
98 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:48 pm to
Literally cannot use aftermarket wheels or axles bent in. They will dq that in a heartbeat at the district PWD.

Eta: let your kid have fun with it. Winning is the goal, obviously, but spending QT with the youngin is the best part for both of you.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 8:50 pm
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
14272 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:50 pm to
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Nails? I didn't know there was nails involved. I thought it was just the block if wood, axles and wheels

The nails are the axles.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
65890 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:14 am to
low profile, straight wheels,lube and getting right up to the weight limit.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 7:17 am
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6772 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:50 am to
It has nothing to do with aerodynamics. It's all about reducing friction. Polish the axles, Cant the top of the wheels inward so that the car rolls on the edge of the wheel more than the entire surface, also, make it so one front wheel doesn't even touch the track. You can also give the car a short head start by cutting a V notch in the nose where the pin for the gate touches the front.

ETA: Also make sure that the slots cut into the block for the axles are perfectly square to the length, otherwise the car will vear to the side.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 8:54 am
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
65890 posts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:51 am to
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It has nothing to do with aerodynamics


everyone i have been in was won by a flat , aerodynamic car.
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