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Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:04 pm to Woolfpack
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These guys were attacked by the Wagner group in Syria. They obliterated them. To say Delta Force is not trained and capable of defending a fortified position is a bit of a stretch.
To be fair, I’m pretty sure that was because of a massive amount of air support
Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:23 pm to Nole Man
Reminds me of this....
Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:31 pm to Trapped in time
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You do realize that we were the illegals in this instance
No one is illegal on conquered land
Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:36 pm to CleverUserName
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1 person with modern rifles and optics behind high cover could easily be worth 200 opponents marching in infantry columns across a distant open ground with muskets you cant fire but a couple to three times a minute.
Especially against a foe wholly unfamiliar with the concept of people dropping dead and hearing a crack of the sound barrier. Entire officers corps conducting the order of battle falling off horses. They would take cover, it would do no good. The lines would break. It would be as if the hand of God were striking them down.
Let’s not even get into night combat behind NODs with suppressed weapons.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:45 pm to Jim Rockford
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Honest answer, the Mexicans could just sit back and starve them out. Relief isn't coming.
They won't be able to just sit back and starve them out with Delta operators that are equipped with thermal vision equipment. They'll just run night ops and have the Mexicans waking up every morning to find hundreds of their comrades dead every day.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 1:15 pm to Tiger Prawn
Where do they charge the batteries for the NVG?
You dont have to have a close cordon. Just pull back out of rifle range, keep people from going in and out, and wait. Lack of cover works both ways. I dont care how good you are, nobody's going to low crawl a couple of miles over open ground without being spotted.
You dont have to have a close cordon. Just pull back out of rifle range, keep people from going in and out, and wait. Lack of cover works both ways. I dont care how good you are, nobody's going to low crawl a couple of miles over open ground without being spotted.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 1:31 pm to Woolfpack
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To say Delta Force is not trained and capable of defending a fortified position is a bit of a stretch.
Now, where did I say that? I'm saying ANY 24 guys you want to pick up will have their fricking hands full with 2k to 3k guys on the other side. Swords, knives, fists - that's a lot of fricking people if they're intent on killing you.
You're talking about 100 to 1 kill ratio for hours. Yeah, at some point they break, but that works the other way. One of these elements of say 4 or 5 out of 24 gets separated and killed, but with eye/ear shot of the remainder, that's not good for morale either. And that is a huge loss of combat power.
I'm not even saying they definitely couldn't do it. I just wouldn't bet on it with those sorts of numbers.
Add in any other variable and it changes, dramatically. Give them 1 armored vehicle. 1 helicopter. 1 CAS sortie. Double their numbers.
Yeah, I can see all of that working really well against the Mexicans. I guess because of the very small number, that makes it an interesting thought exercise.
You folks that haven't served, haven't moved troops, haven't resupplied troops, haven't planned movements, etc., you cannot hand wave an enemy off the map. You have to kill them or displace them by force.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 1:34 pm to Ace Midnight
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24 guys
what if they have a bobcat or a gorilla on their side?
Posted on 6/29/26 at 1:50 pm to 777Tiger
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what if they have a bobcat or a gorilla on their side?
Like virtually all cats, the bobcat will be too aloof and arbitrary to really count on when you need him. However, if he became interested and committed to the fight, he could cause a lot of damage. (Kind of like the USAF in that regard.)
The gorilla's muscles are mostly for show. They're unserious as combatants, as a general rule. (Kind of like Clemson.)
Posted on 6/29/26 at 1:52 pm to Ace Midnight
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f he became interested and committed to the fight, he could cause a lot of damage. (Kind of like the USAF in that regard.)
watch it baw!
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They're unserious as combatants, as a general rule. (Kind of like Clemson.)
Posted on 6/29/26 at 2:46 pm to DarthRebel
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24 Modern soldiers with modern weapons could have defended the Alamo. They would not need to be delta or any other special operations group.
Modern weapons are so much overpowered compared to what the Mexicans would have had.
I clicked on the link with that exact thought in mind. Santa Anna's forces primarily had Brown Bess muskets. They had a short range and poor accuracy, I'm talking about effective combat range being something like 50-100 yards with the max probably being 300 yards if the individual is really experienced with that specific weapon and has great eyesight. This was a single-fire rifle with an experienced shooter being able to fire off 2-3 rounds per minute.
The cannons he used had a max range of 1,000-1,500 yards and could be fired about 3 times per minute with a full and experienced reloading crew.
On the other hand we have what I believe is the current modern standard infantry rifle: the M7. Its effective range for average shooters is ~2x greater (~600 yards) than the musket's maximum effective range and in just semi-auto it can fire up to 120 rounds per minute.
In other words, half-assed decent shots could take out Santa Anna's incoming infantry well before they could get close enough to be considered a threat.
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Just that simple sniper concept mentioned earlier would kill morale.
I think even that underplays it a bit.
A good sniper with a good scope has an effective range with the M7 of ~1,000 yards. The standard sniper weapon is, I believe, the Mk22. In the hands of an experienced sniper and with a good scope, it has an effective range of up to almost 2,000 yards). The sound of the shot from that far off would be about as loud as a noisy restaurant, but would also take about 5 seconds after the shot to arrive. For those first few seconds, it would seem like the vengeance of an angry god had descended on that man.
After that, it would be as if they were trying to fight an invisible shooter and they likely wouldn't even be able to get their cannons set up. It wouldn't just kill morale, it would become legend.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 2:51 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm not even saying they definitely couldn't do it. I just wouldn't bet on it
Found the commie
Posted on 6/29/26 at 2:51 pm to 777Tiger
Give me 3 guys with Barrett 50s and plenty of ammo, along with 4 120 MM mortars with sufficient rounds supplementing the Alamo defenders, and I'll have those Mexicans running for the border or Taco Bell whichever is closest in a day.
Pedro won't be able to unlimber his guns because they'll be taken out quickly, his officers will be killed and his infantry mercilessly slaughtered,
Pedro won't be able to unlimber his guns because they'll be taken out quickly, his officers will be killed and his infantry mercilessly slaughtered,
Posted on 6/29/26 at 3:16 pm to Nole Man
This hypothetical is so 2021. The real scenario is a handful of FPV operators taking apart the Mexican column on the march.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 3:22 pm to Nole Man
What if Baldwin IV had an A-10 Warthog?
Saladin's army dies that day and Jerusalem remains in Christian hands.
Really makes you think...
Saladin's army dies that day and Jerusalem remains in Christian hands.
Really makes you think...
Posted on 6/29/26 at 3:24 pm to Nole Man
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Davy Crockett gets night goggles and 50 cals are on the ramparts
With enough ammunition for the .50 cals on the ramparts, you don’t have to have Delta Force troops.
Even with barely trained troops, as long ac they are trained to maintain and use a a M2, you could easily hold the Alamo against an early 19th century Mexican army. In fact it would be a slaughter of the Mexicans.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 3:28 pm to Darth_Vader
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Even with barely trained troops, as long ac they are trained to maintain and use a a M2, you could easily hold the Alamo against an early 19th century Mexican army. In fact it would be a slaughter of the Mexicans.
Great... But who fixes the landscaping when the battle is done?
Posted on 6/29/26 at 3:32 pm to Darth_Vader
A few M2s with enough ammunition would likely make a mass infantry assault extremely costly, far beyond anything the Mexican Army of that era were prepared to absorb. It would be a blood bath.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 3:40 pm to Lonnie Utah
quote:The point being that some people do not know a muzzle from a breach?
Eh. The main point still stands....
Obviously true...
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