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re: What happens in BR if min wage becomes $15/hr?

Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:27 pm to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35045 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:27 pm to
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The guy making $15 / hour already is probably mostly worried about someone smashing his window and stealing his TV while he's at work. I don't think he's too hung up on this petty totem pole of poor people you're positing. If $15 / hour turns a few ne'er-do-wells into honest burger-flippers, he'll take it.





you are a complete and total imbecile.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:29 pm to
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you are a complete and total imbecile.


Oh, point taken!

What do you think people making $15 / hour worry about?
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72028 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:32 pm to
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That technology is easily expandable to where in the near future, McDonald's here, like in Europe now, will only have 1-2 humans in a store.


You will not see this in your life time. It’s way more complicated than that

Kiosk ordering is not really groundbreaking technology. It’s the same software a minimum wage employee uses to take your order
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35045 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:33 pm to
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What do you think people making $15 / hour worry about?


Idk, what do you think about? Obviously not the unintended consequences of a mandated minimum wage hike at a national level.

If you did, you’d understand why it is asinine to think anything positive will come from it.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:43 pm to
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Idk, what do you think about? Obviously not the unintended consequences of a mandated minimum wage hike at a national level.

If you did, you’d understand why it is asinine to think anything positive will come from it.


This is really the very first argument I tried to refute. When you point at a proposed regulation and say "this will be all bad," history is not on your side. Just in my lifetime, Chamber-of-Commerce types have pointed at the Clean Air Act, the ADA, the increase from a $3 minimum wage to a $4 minimum wage, etc. as disasters in the making. When has it ever proved true? And a minimum wage increase isn't even a particularly heavy-handed regulation. Historically the minimum wage has hovered around $10, adjusted for inflation. We're due for an increase.

And yes, believe it or not, I do think it will decrease crime and welfare dependency. People are economic actors who make decisions at the margin- even black teenagers. There are people who will see that $15 number and decide to get a damned job.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35045 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:45 pm to
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the increase from a $3 minimum wage to a $4 minimum wage, etc. as disasters in the making. When has it ever proved true? And a minimum wage increase isn't even a particularly heavy-handed regulation. Historically the minimum wage has hovered around $10, adjusted for inflation. We're due for an increase.


Forcing Baton Rouge Louisiana to change the minimum wage from 7.25 to $15 an hour is light years different than $3 to $4

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do think it will decrease crime and welfare dependency.


By cutting hours available to min wage workers?

the exact opposite will happen kid. I’m done with you. Your pea sized brain isn’t worth the time or effort
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 11:48 pm
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
16182 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:46 pm to
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Fairness arguments are pretty infantile.



Says the guy arguing for doubling min wage
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:50 pm to
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Forcing Baton Rouge Louisiana to change the minimum wage from 7.25 to $15 an hour is light years different than $3 to $4


You know, maybe that's the disconnect here and maybe you have a point. I don't live in Baton Rouge or pay Baton Rouge prices. If the argument is, "it should increase less in Baton Rouge," I guess I can see your point.

At the same time, though, I see this as an opportunity to bring BR more on par with the rest of the nation. Yes there will be some short-term pain, but do you really live and die on the price of a Whopper? And are the huge disparities between BR and where I live (to say nothing of Manhattan or Newport Beach) really something we want to perpetuate?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35045 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:51 pm to
I weep at the fact that you suck in my oxygen.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:53 pm to
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I weep at the fact that you suck in my oxygen.


That's not an argument, man!

WTF do you think will actually happen to you if the minimum wage goes up? Do you own 14 Wendy's across the Baton Rouge-Denham Springs metroplex or something?
Posted by lazy
Member since Jun 2020
1594 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:53 pm to
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Do you have a reference for this? I'd like to believe this, but I also know the Federal government will exert tremendous pressure on the states to up their min. wage.


Well sure. But no state has to raise their minimum wage unless the choose to do so. If you live in a liberal state, you probably already have a very high minimum wage. If you live in a conservative state, you won't see a big raise. A federal minimum wage has very little real effect but plays well with the libs.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35045 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:54 pm to
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WTF do you think will actually happen to you if the minimum wage goes up?


Well, my families company will lay off dozens of employees.

Sucks for their families, not so much mine. And the fact that you are so caught up on fast food truly shows how stupid you are. EVERYTHING YOU BUY WILL INCREASE IN PRICE.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 11:56 pm
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48850 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:01 am to
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I probably won't be able to afford Popeyes.



Your chicken sandwich will go from $3.99 to $4.99 and you will keep buying that chicken sandwich because you can afford it.

Only now the person selling you that sandwich can afford it also.

You people who are having doom and gloom thoughts I’m guessing have never made a fricking payroll. I’ve not had anyone below $15.00 per man hour in a decade.

In 1978 my father had 600 employees and the top pay for those field personnel was $15.00 per hour. They all had middle class homes and brand new F150 trucks that cost under $5000.

Those same craftsman in 2021 make exactly $15.00 per hour. How much does a new stripped F150 cost?

Try to raise a family on $15.00 and see how far you will get.
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
6987 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:02 am to
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Maybe the shake machine will finally always be working.


took my daughter to get milkshakes the other night. started to turn into McDonalds on Siegen and quickly changed course to CFA

I had to explain to my 8 y/o the McDondald's shake machine pandemic
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:03 am to
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Well, my families company will lay off dozens of employees.


I know you can't post your business here, but I wonder how bad this really is. You said your family would be OK, but you think the people who get fired won't. I guess the assumption here is that you'll fire them and no one will ever hire them in our new $15 / hour world.

I'm not so sure about that. My whole point is that businesses in a (mostly) free market adjust to those little parts of it that we have to make less-than-free. I feel like I've seen that several times. I posted examples.

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EVERYTHING YOU BUY WILL INCREASE IN PRICE.


The only time in my lifetime that this wasn't true was a 6-month period in 2007-2008. It scared the crap out of everyone, and we freaked out and replaced a Bush with a man who was educated in a madrasa.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 12:05 am
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
83374 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:10 am to
The starting salary of a firefighter with the Baton Rouge Fire Department is $15.20 an hour.

This new law would turn that into a minimum wage job
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:24 am to
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The starting salary of a firefighter with the Baton Rouge Fire Department is $15.20 an hour.

This new law would turn that into a minimum wage job



Do you really think they're in it for the money?
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
32495 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:25 am to
Layoffs, increase in public assistance and increase in violent crime.
Posted by Forever
Member since Dec 2019
5741 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:34 am to
This. Most white people don’t know this but a ton of people in North BR actively avoid making $18/hr or more because they lose a ton of free shite when they hit that point
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6551 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:35 pm to
leftists: we hate big corporations

also leftists: iF yOu CaNt PaY yOuR eMpLoYeEs $15/hr ThEn YoU sHoUlDnT OwN a BuSiNeSs
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