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re: What do you value more in employees?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 7:40 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 3/25/24 at 7:40 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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those who are loyal are probably loyal for a reason. they don't have much to offer on the free market.
I was about to type something similar. In addition to the ones that are getting it done and having to pick up the slack of the butt kissers. That crap gets old, especially if it’s equal compensation.
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 7:46 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Depending on the type of business and some other factors, those who are loyal are probably loyal for a reason. they don't have much to offer on the free market.
You need both. We usually have very different expectations for sales staff and clerical staff.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 7:48 am to Huey Lewis
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Anybody worth a shite is doing themselves a disservice if they’re not constantly looking for their next move. The days of 20+ years to a single organization are over
90% of the people with this mentality are complete dog shite employees that suck at every job they land.
While that may be true, they're still making more money, which is the most significant concern of their's. They're not out looking for a company they can be the most benefit to.
If you want a good employee to stay, pay them more, or don't be surprised when they leave.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 7:52 am to Rex Feral
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Marathon. I want people who want to retire from here.
Then the first one.
The second just needs more incentives. Small companies are difficult to work for sometimes. I work for a small family business, there is not really room for growth.
I'm very loyal however, because they treat me like family and they give great bonuses, trips, benefits, etc. even though it doesn't mean I get a higher position in the company.
So treat employee two that way and then they MAYVE become a loyal employee and you get a win/win of a loyal employee who is great at their job.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 7:52 am to Huey Lewis
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Anybody worth a shite is doing themselves a disservice if they’re not constantly looking for their next move. The days of 20+ years to a single organization are over
quote:90% of businesses owners don't pay enough, aren't interesting enough and count on complacency rather than motivation to keep employees around.
90% of the people with this mentality are complete dog shite employees that suck at every job they land.
This is some anti-American bullshite wanting mediocre employees instead of excellent employees that might go into business for themselves. Isn't that the American dream? To own your own business?
Complaining that you can't hold onto exceptional employees when likely the person complaining was once an exceptional employee that started his own business is pretty hypocritical.
Business owners should consider the future instead of the current. Wouldn't it be better to grow the company by structuring the company to share the ups and downs of success by establishing profit sharing plans and/or setting the company up with offering stock in a vesting plan in exchange for longevity, and pay out dividends if you're profitable. Or take on valuable employees as junior partners with a buy-in.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 7:54 am to Rex Feral
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I don't want to fire her because she does such a good job so I stick her in her back and don't let her talk to clients.
You don't consider anai cheating baw?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:06 am to Rex Feral
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Marathon. I want people who want to retire from here.
Then A.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:07 am to Shepherd
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The one that comes to work.
Being available and reliable is key.
I don't need you to be a genius, or be super talented, just show up to work and do your job. It's amazing how hard this is for some people (and the people I manage are "professionals").
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:12 am to Rex Feral
I’m older ( 57) and a supervisor. I supervise around 10-12 plant work. Just getting the young guys to show up and stay off their phone is a big problem
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:13 am to Rex Feral
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The other type is highly motivated and competent. There's never a problem with their work. The issue with them is they are constantly looking for a better opportunity somewhere else. Unless you want to give up part of the compan yto them, they know they can make more money if they go work for them selves. And then they leave with the years of training your provided them. You're left having to find someone new and then train them all over again.
Just a random thought, but if you have an all-star employee and want to keep him, and you'll make money off of their work it's a no brainer to do whatever you need to keep them.
Why let someone go only to compete with them when you can keep them closer to home for less money?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:14 am to Rex Feral
Loyalty. Look into going to a partial ESOP or throw some equity with hand cuffs in instill loyalty. It doesn’t have to be a lot of the company but it will be worth it.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:18 am to Darth_Vader
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The guys who work for me are all field reps covering territories from north Alabama to the Florida panhandle.
I think you’ve posted this 10x over the years on this board.
It’s cool that you like your job though.This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 8:19 am
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:26 am to Rex Feral
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The issue with them is they are constantly looking for a better opportunity somewhere else. Unless you want to give up part of the compan yto them, they know they can make more money if they go work for them selves. And then they leave with the years of training your provided them. You're left having to find someone new and then train them all over again.
If you are not holding on to any of these types, then your competitors hire them and start winning most of your business. Seems like you dont have much choice.
Like with most things, you need a few to really get the work done. Everyone knows they are the ones doing most of the work, so they are always getting approached with other opportunities.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:29 am to Rex Feral
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For a company with less than 10 employees, I've noticed there are two different types that I've dealt with.
i'll say that i am an in between on those. I've been with a small mom and pop network sales company for 10+ years. Never had more than 6 employees and I'm the longest standing employee that doesn't share a last name.
i'll call myself "highly competent" when the need arises, but also can be a bit lazy when there's not much to do. i've been WFH, but I travel for work probably 5 times a month as well.
Part of the time, I'm just somebody on retainer that is expected to be very well versed in network security, backup and recovery, EDR/MDR, content filtering. Part of my salary is just being on calls when something comes up on those and being able to jump on a call and help my company win business. I don't get commission on that, but it's a help to the company and I'm fine with it. I also have to do some web design which i freaking hate.
But I am expected to be an expert and deploy firewalls which makes about 40% of our overall GP. My bosses know that they can point me a direction and I will get done without an ounce of micro-management.
I also am the in house IT which i truly hate as well.
ETA: i will say that I have had multiple tempting poaching offers with some more money, but I have 2 teenage boys in sports and I enjoy the flexibility with a small company for the time I have to make their sports with a small company. I can send a basketball/track schedule and my company will make sure I make 90% of their games. I know better opportunities will not afford me that.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 8:38 am
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:30 am to Rex Feral
If that's all you have to complain about.. Consider yourself lucky..
No mention of always showing up late..
Spending more time of getting out of work then just doing the job.. Literally not answering the phone..
Gossiping about other employees to conquer and divide (wait that was the boss)..
No mention of always showing up late..
Spending more time of getting out of work then just doing the job.. Literally not answering the phone..
Gossiping about other employees to conquer and divide (wait that was the boss)..
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:40 am to Rex Feral
I'd want both. I'm loyal, but not to the point where I'm willing to long term sacrifice myself to a company. My dad retired with multiple pensions and the offer to come back and be a contractor any time he needs it, but those pensions just don't exist anymore. "Employees are like family" has become such a cliche it's quite literally a meme and red flag.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:42 am to Rex Feral
Employers hardly ever value loyalty imo.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:43 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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I think you’ve posted this 10x over the years on this board. It’s cool that you like your job though.
Not sure what you’re getting at. I only posted those details because my I don’t interact face to face with my direct reports on a daily basis, which is different than the norm.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:44 am to Rex Feral
The one with no gag reflex.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:46 am to Rex Feral
Competence is number one with me period, everything else I can work with but we can and do pay people well.
My secretary has been with me for 25 years and makes $86k a year and worth every penny. The shortest tenure of any paralegal I have is 8 years and I hired her to replace one that retired. The paralegals at my firm average grossing $115k-120k. Pay seems to bring competency and loyalty.
Attorneys are simple to keep, I can only think of one associate that has left voluntarily in the last 10 years and the Op tempo/grind just wasn't for him. We pay Craveth scale -10% and given the cost of living in the area they can't make more money anywhere else. Pay a new attorney $220k a year (with bonus) and you can ride them pretty hard because they know they will be making over $400k in the 5th year and their whole focus is to make partner.
It is clear you have to make money to pay well but in my industry money seems to be everything to employees.
My secretary has been with me for 25 years and makes $86k a year and worth every penny. The shortest tenure of any paralegal I have is 8 years and I hired her to replace one that retired. The paralegals at my firm average grossing $115k-120k. Pay seems to bring competency and loyalty.
Attorneys are simple to keep, I can only think of one associate that has left voluntarily in the last 10 years and the Op tempo/grind just wasn't for him. We pay Craveth scale -10% and given the cost of living in the area they can't make more money anywhere else. Pay a new attorney $220k a year (with bonus) and you can ride them pretty hard because they know they will be making over $400k in the 5th year and their whole focus is to make partner.
It is clear you have to make money to pay well but in my industry money seems to be everything to employees.
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