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re: What can actually be done about homeless people?
Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:54 am to Vidic
Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:54 am to Vidic
You shouldn't be sorry for a perfectly reasonable opinion.
A kid getting carried away and getting alcohol poisoning and someone overdosing on hardcore drugs is a false equivalency.
Why would shutting down AA, a program for people trying to do better, help any situation?
A kid getting carried away and getting alcohol poisoning and someone overdosing on hardcore drugs is a false equivalency.
Why would shutting down AA, a program for people trying to do better, help any situation?
Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:57 am to Vidic
Vidic - over crowding of jails is another subject, and plenty of issues there that could use some focused attention from smart people.
Any ideas about homelessness?
Any ideas about homelessness?
Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:57 am to Hiyoka
Genocide
---100% not serious, but I'll bet I can find some people that think that without saying it.
---100% not serious, but I'll bet I can find some people that think that without saying it.
Posted on 10/11/19 at 8:01 am to Hiyoka
It's real tough, there truly is no right answer. Improving mental health facilities and transition centers is a good start. There will always be homeless people to some extent.
Posted on 10/11/19 at 8:02 am to Hiyoka
A first start would be zero tolerance for homeless villages. Stop letting tent cities pop up, and stop tolerating bad behavior from the homeless.
Crack a few skulls for taking a shite on a sidewalk, and you’ll start to see the homeless clean up their act
Crack a few skulls for taking a shite on a sidewalk, and you’ll start to see the homeless clean up their act
Posted on 10/11/19 at 8:38 am to Quatre Pot
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In centuries past, there were psych wards and entire islands designated to house these types of folks.
This is a fairytale. In centuries past many just straight died with little to no help from anyone. There wasn't some nanny state taking care of all these people for centuries. If you couldn't take care of yourself you didn't live.
Posted on 10/11/19 at 8:46 am to Hiyoka
The question might be better posed:
What can YOU actually do about homelessness.
Rather than wait for others to take action to address the ills of society, decide to take action yourself. From delivering a tent, to housing someone in your own home, there are steps that each of us can take
What can YOU actually do about homelessness.
Rather than wait for others to take action to address the ills of society, decide to take action yourself. From delivering a tent, to housing someone in your own home, there are steps that each of us can take
Posted on 10/11/19 at 8:55 am to Hiyoka
Forced mental health and rehab facilities.
Offer $1,000 to them to sterilize them.
Offer $1,000 to them to sterilize them.
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:01 am to SlidellCajun
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What can YOU actually do about homelessness.
Also, people's families need to do something. I thought if someone became disabled before a certain age their family was responsible for them. Seems like if someone is mentally disabled before that age then the family should take care of them and not taxpayers.
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:03 am to Hiyoka
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Name 1 to 3 realistic ideas to help with this problem
Guarantee everyone in the country a minimum income no questions asked instead of spending the money on a shitload of programs and gov't bloat, excessive defense spending, overinflated healthcare costs, etc.
Also try and spur local main street shops and business to help increase low level employment opportunities. As automation replaces more and more low level jobs, including routine professional work, more people are going to be on the streets.
And ramp up affordable housing options / programs. Apparently there is a company that can turn a shipping container into a livable space for $55,000.
ETA: Make sure there are programs for people who AREN'T addicted to drugs / alcohol and who don't have some debilitating mental illness - those are the people who actually have a strong chance to get off the streets, but there don't seem to be many programs focused on their needs.
This post was edited on 10/11/19 at 9:06 am
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:04 am to Hiyoka
Eat them
Not only does it help solve the homeless problem, but it also helps reduce our demand for beef and the cattle industry is the #1 cause for deforestation of the Amazon.
2 birds, 1 stone
Not only does it help solve the homeless problem, but it also helps reduce our demand for beef and the cattle industry is the #1 cause for deforestation of the Amazon.
2 birds, 1 stone
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:05 am to TheCaterpillar
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Forced mental health and rehab facilities.
Offer $1,000 to them to sterilize them.
A lot of homeless are so brain dead no amount of mental health care, or rehab will ever make them a productive member of society. Some can probably still be saved, but they have to be willing to change their life, you can't just force them.
Agree with you on the paid sterilization. We need that available for more than just the homeless.
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:08 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Guarantee everyone in the country a minimum income no questions asked
LOL, this has to be a troll.
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:11 am to whoisnickdoobs
Its actually a concept that almost got passed in the 60's under Nixon (the democrats killed it because they wanted to ask for more money lol).
Thomas Paine and Milton Friedman were for it.
Ask yourself - do you want the gov't to have all the money siphoning into programs with tons of bureaucratic waste? OR would you rather it be in your hands to improve yourself as you see fit - basically Alaska and the petroleum fund.
There is also the give directly initiative in Kenya which has seen strong increases in effectiveness of aid by putting money directly into the hands of villages instead of some "aid package" that ends up not really helping much relative to its costs.
LINK
Thomas Paine and Milton Friedman were for it.
Ask yourself - do you want the gov't to have all the money siphoning into programs with tons of bureaucratic waste? OR would you rather it be in your hands to improve yourself as you see fit - basically Alaska and the petroleum fund.
There is also the give directly initiative in Kenya which has seen strong increases in effectiveness of aid by putting money directly into the hands of villages instead of some "aid package" that ends up not really helping much relative to its costs.
LINK
This post was edited on 10/11/19 at 9:13 am
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:17 am to Hiyoka
I think we have to first look at what causes homelessness. Is mental illness a primary cause? If so, then how do we get them help? Without looking at any numbers, if I had to guess, I would think that addiction and mental illness is the primary cause.
There are homeless shelters available, but it seems to be a first come, first serve type of deal.
Homelessness is a problem in every major city and is a burden on the cities. I think there needs to be some type of shelter built that provides the basics. The shelters can be individual blocks (like apartments, but much smaller). The blocks will have a bed & a small bathroom with a shower and toilet and one electrical socket and provides one hot meal a day (have a few that is a little bit bigger. That has 2 beds, for families).
From there, law enforcement can then be more aggressive enforcing laws that restrict homeless people from sleeping in public, begging, etc. etc. That's really all I can come up with.
There are homeless shelters available, but it seems to be a first come, first serve type of deal.
Homelessness is a problem in every major city and is a burden on the cities. I think there needs to be some type of shelter built that provides the basics. The shelters can be individual blocks (like apartments, but much smaller). The blocks will have a bed & a small bathroom with a shower and toilet and one electrical socket and provides one hot meal a day (have a few that is a little bit bigger. That has 2 beds, for families).
From there, law enforcement can then be more aggressive enforcing laws that restrict homeless people from sleeping in public, begging, etc. etc. That's really all I can come up with.
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:20 am to Sneaky__Sally
Yes, I'm sure all these heroin, crack and meth addicts will just use that money to improve themselves and not spend it on more drugs.
This is a troll. No way you're this stupid.
This is a troll. No way you're this stupid.
This post was edited on 10/11/19 at 9:21 am
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:25 am to Hiyoka
Round them up and put them on Alcatraz
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:25 am to whoisnickdoobs
I'm pretty sure I've read estimates put homeless people at 1/3 or so as drug addicts / abusers. I'd venture that some, certainly not all or even most, of those people would try and improve their situation if they could see a path forward.
But I'm more interested in trying to help the 1/2 to 2/3 of homeless people who aren't in that category and have a real chance at improving their situation get off the streets.
Its so bad you really need to triage it quickly, I think the above is a reasonable out of the box way to consider it. Whatever efforts have been going on are clearly less than effective.
ETA: This link shows an even lower percentage of homeless people dependent on drugs with a little over 1/3 dependent on alcohol.
LINK
But I'm more interested in trying to help the 1/2 to 2/3 of homeless people who aren't in that category and have a real chance at improving their situation get off the streets.
Its so bad you really need to triage it quickly, I think the above is a reasonable out of the box way to consider it. Whatever efforts have been going on are clearly less than effective.
ETA: This link shows an even lower percentage of homeless people dependent on drugs with a little over 1/3 dependent on alcohol.
LINK
This post was edited on 10/11/19 at 9:28 am
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:32 am to BluegrassBelle
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Better access to mental health care facilities. Many homeless folks suffer from severe mental health issues and we have a huge, huge lack of affordable inpatient facilities in this country.
Wont do much good without the ability to coerce them. It's really hard in this country to force someone to do something against their will. That's overall a good thing, but this is an unintended consequence.
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