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Were the LRRP teams in Vietnam the biggest badasses the US military ever produced?
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:03 pm
Listening and reading about the teams that went into Laos and Cambodia with minimal arse, gear, and a shitload of ammo is just ridiculous and leads me to believe that they were. Teams of 8 (at the biggest, for the most part), 2 SF guys and some South Vietnamese guys getting dropped miles and miles behind enemy lines in the jungle and told to walk around and do reconnaissance. Oft times running into NVA forces many many times their size and most of the time out-fighting them.
Their stories are just absolutely wild.
Eta: which leads me to a question. We know that the Ho Chi Minh trail was going through those two “neutral” countries, why did we not go in heavier there? I’m not as well brushed up on that point of Vietnam as others, so elucidate the facts from that for me, please.
Their stories are just absolutely wild.
Eta: which leads me to a question. We know that the Ho Chi Minh trail was going through those two “neutral” countries, why did we not go in heavier there? I’m not as well brushed up on that point of Vietnam as others, so elucidate the facts from that for me, please.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 9:12 pm
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Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:05 pm to grizzlylongcut
Tunnel rats were just as fearless if not more so.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:05 pm to grizzlylongcut
My grandfather shot a tiger in Cambodia during nam and brought it back. Also had an ear in a jar he brought back too.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:17 pm to grizzlylongcut
Good friend I grew up with dad was marine recon and did the LRRP missions. He does not discuss them...at all.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:23 pm to Tusksup
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He does not discuss them...at all.
No telling how many close calls he had.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:30 pm to grizzlylongcut
Where those the MACC SOG guys? It’s been on the list of things to learn recently but haven’t gotten into it.
I hear of similar stories from the gulf war and later the GWOT though details are scarce.
I hear of similar stories from the gulf war and later the GWOT though details are scarce.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:31 pm to grizzlylongcut
100% agree, read tons of books on Vietnam
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:32 pm to grizzlylongcut
My dad has a bunch of stories. One of my favorites was his team was doing reconnaissance trying to find the enemy. Heard something down trail. Guys quickly spread out. Around 200 north Vietnamese come walking between all of them. Just one sneeze or cough away from all hell breaking loose.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:34 pm to grizzlylongcut
Great read about the LRRP's is Charlie Mike by Leonard Scott.
Those guys were complete badasses
Those guys were complete badasses
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:34 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Eta: which leads me to a question. We know that the Ho Chi Minh trail was going through those two “neutral” countries, why did we not go in heavier there?
We eventually did, along with massive bombing of North Vietnam. The end result was the total destruction of the military capability of North Vietnam and forcing North Vietnam to sign the Paris Peace accords in January 1973, effectively ending the Vietnam War and securing peace for South Vietnam. So yes, we did actually win the Vietnam War. We won it in January 1973.
But, thanks to communist sympathies from Democrats in Congress, all US aid to South Vietnam was ended shortly after. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union flooded North Vietnam with military aid. Within two years North Vietnam had rebuilt its military while South Vietnam had been left to whither on the vine thanks to Democrats in Congress. When North Vietnam invaded, the South was powerless to resist.
But you’ll never be taught any of that in any school. Instead you’ll be taught one of the biggest lies in American History, namely that the US lost the Vietnam War.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:35 pm to Polycarp
Any particular books you recommend? I’m in need of a new book and Vietnam is something I’m not to familiar with but would like to be.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:37 pm to grizzlylongcut
That was MACV SOG. LRRPs were another entity. They were usually Division or Corps level assets although some of them were attached to SOG later on. Just being a conventional line infantryman was plenty tough enough. No need to wear a fancy beret to prove your mettle.
If I had to single out one group it would be the Son Tay Raiders. A mission no one expected to come back from and they all volunteered anyway to try to rescue fellow Americans. Several of those guys later went on to be founding members of Delta.
If I had to single out one group it would be the Son Tay Raiders. A mission no one expected to come back from and they all volunteered anyway to try to rescue fellow Americans. Several of those guys later went on to be founding members of Delta.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:37 pm to grizzlylongcut
It has been a while since I fell deep into a Vietnam War rabbit hole. I always thought that SOG was up there as far as the Vietnam era goes. They were there early and had little support if anything went wrong. I wish I could remember the name of the book I read about them. I still have it kicking around somewhere. May have to try to find it and read it again.
ETA: I guess those may be the same as the LRRPs. Like I said, it has been years since I read most of that.
ETA: I guess those may be the same as the LRRPs. Like I said, it has been years since I read most of that.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:38 pm to Junky
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Where those the MACC SOG guys?
Yes
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:39 pm to Jim Rockford
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If I had to single out one group it would be the Son Tay Raiders. A mission no one expected to come back from and they all volunteered anyway to try to rescue fellow Americans. Several of those guys later went on to be founding members of Delta
Brass balls, truck nuts on a human, basically.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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We eventually did, along with massive bombing of North Vietnam. The end result was the total destruction of the military capability of North Vietnam and forcing North Vietnam to sign the Paris Peace accords in January 1973, effectively ending the Vietnam War and securing peace for South Vietnam. So yes, we did actually win the Vietnam War. We won it in January 1973.
That was Operation Linebacker, correct? I’ve read a little about that.
Just like after Tet, we completely destroyed the NVA and VC’s capabilities to wage war. Should’ve gone hard north after Tet.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:40 pm to jbird7
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:41 pm to grizzlylongcut
Jocko Podcast interviewed a bunch of the MACV-SOG guys. Wild stories. There is a spin-off podcast called SOGcast trying to capture all these guys stories before they are gone. Tilt is not the best interviewer but the stories are incredible
ETA: John Stryker Meyer/Tilt is the host of SOGcast.
ETA: John Stryker Meyer/Tilt is the host of SOGcast.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:42 pm to grizzlylongcut
quote:President took over the controls. He believed his guys in safe compounds when they repeated what their Laos & Cambodia gov't officials said they were neutral and no road existed.
why did we not go in heavier there?
Meanwhile the guys you speak of were known only to our military leaders over there. So, when they reported what they were looking at the president wouldn't believe them. They operated in secret from their gov't & ours. They got what support our leaders in country could provide.
quote:I think normal was 3. Rank meant nothing.
2 SF
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:43 pm to grizzlylongcut
Best book I read regarding LRP or LRRP’s was by Gary linderer(he has several) called eyes behind the lines detailing the heroics of SGT Billy Walkabout after a recon patrol was ambushed by the nva
We didn’t go into Laos or Cambodia because of politics specifically the threat of China or Russia entering the war. Same reason we rarely went north of the DMZ.
We didn’t go into Laos or Cambodia because of politics specifically the threat of China or Russia entering the war. Same reason we rarely went north of the DMZ.
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