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re: Were the LRRP teams in Vietnam the biggest badasses the US military ever produced?
Posted on 4/19/23 at 5:05 pm to IAmNERD
Posted on 4/19/23 at 5:05 pm to IAmNERD
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Those LRRP guys in Vietnam were definitely badass. Their mission was probably kinda similar to the ISA (Intelligence Support Activity or just The Activity) of today. If you talk to any SF guys, many of them will tell you they are the spookiest in a Tier 1 role. Outside of the CIAs special units they have at their beckon call, the ISA does some really high level, behind enemy lines shite. I'd say them, Delta and the LRRP guys in Vietnam (maybe AF PJs since they detach with all the other SF teams) are all probably best of the best that the US military has produced.
Killer Elite by Michael Smith is a good book on that topic
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Posted on 4/19/23 at 5:11 pm to Tusksup
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He does not discuss them...at all.
Then how do you know?
Posted on 4/19/23 at 5:24 pm to grizzlylongcut
In the army and had some former south Vietnamese soldiers in my company. One was a equivalent of a captain and escaped on a shrimp boat.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 6:10 pm to Tusksup
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Good friend I grew up with dad was marine recon and did the LRRP missions. He does not discuss them...at all.
A large majority of war vets that experienced the real shite very seldom do talk about...now wanna-bes, that's a different story.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 6:11 pm to ForLSU56
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A large majority of war vets that experienced the real shite very seldom do talk about...now wanna-bes, that's a different story.
been to a bunch of squadron reunions, ex-POW reunions, never heard of a REMF reunion
Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:55 am to ForLSU56
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A large majority of war vets that experienced the real shite very seldom do talk about...now wanna-bes, that's a different story.
I've told this before - my Uncle, who passed last year from complications due to Agent Orange was a FO with the 4th ID in '68 in the Central Highlands area. Never spoke of the war unless if was funny/minor shite. The last weeks of his life, him and my aunt wanted to have everyone over and it would be more or less like a military story time since he was very patriotic and there are more than a few of us who served, but he passed before we could do it. That's why we were all surprised (for lack of better word) to learn at his funeral that he was awarded the Bronze Star and medal of valor for two separate occasions. On both - a few months apart - his camp/compound was overrun by hardcore NVA and each time he climbed on top of a sandbagged fighting position (pillbox to some) to call in arty on his position while using his weapon to fight off the enemy. The Bronze Star was awarded for the same action but also where - according the the citation - "he ran out under withering fire to get and bring several wounded soldiers to safety." We never knew - not even his kids. Just his wife.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:47 pm to Spaceman Spiff
He always called it his alert team but it was part of LRRP. Another story i remember is when his team was running escort for some south Vietnamese troops. They have a full on battle with I believe the viet cong. They push them out and capture a big arms supply. South Vietnamese troops are pumped. Big win for them. Starts getting late and my pops goes to the American lieutenant liaison tells him we need to blow this and go. He says it’s the south’s call to make. They want to stay and bring in someone to publicize the event. My pops is old hand now tells him this is what the VC does, and they are going to come back at first light. Lieutenant says there is nothing they can do. My pops says he is taking his team they are going to pulling back some because this is crazy. Said the south troops celebrated all night. When first light hit here come the rpgs, and the they wiped out the south troops.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 9:36 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Never spoke of the war unless if was funny/minor shite.
My father was in the south Pacific for almost 4 years and as I've learned the past several years, went through some really terrible "stuff", and as you posted, he only spoke of the funny/minor shite.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 1:33 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Absolutely Marine Force Recon (FORECON) is in use now.
Aren't they SOCOM now?
Marines are losing STA as well.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 1:34 pm to Lsutigerturner
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Disgusting she was allowed to interfere with a active war and military prisoners with out being arrested and deported on site when arriving back in states, or at least a angry family member putting her down.
The whore is still upright and advocating for the murder of republican politicians.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 1:38 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Were the LRRP teams in Vietnam the biggest badasses the US military ever produced?
When you consider the fact that Charles Beckwith served in combat engagements with SAS then worked with most, if not all special operations in Vietnam and he still continued to resubmit the plans he made for a new unit......
I think the answer your question is "No. Delta is."
Posted on 4/21/23 at 1:51 pm to Swamp Angel
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when he returned home he was restricted from living within fifty miles of the US coastline for 25 years
Posted on 4/21/23 at 2:14 pm to wadewilson
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When Ed Emanuel was handpicked for the first African American special operations LRRP team in Vietnam, he knew his six-man team couldn’t have asked for a tougher proving ground than Cu Chi in the summer of 1968. Home to the largest Viet cong tunnel complex in Vietnam, Cu Chi was the deadly heart of the enemy’s stronghold in Tay Ninh Province.
Team 2/6 of Company F, 51st Infantry, was quickly dubbed the Soul Patrol, a gimmicky label that belied the true depth of their courage. Stark and compelling, Emanuel’s account provides an unforgettable look at the horror and the heroism that became the daily fare of LRRPs in Vietnam. Every mission was a tightrope walk between life and death as Emanuel’s team penetrated NVA bases, sidestepped lethal booby traps, or found themselves ambushed and forced to fight their way back to the LZ to survive. Emanuel’s gripping memoir is an enduring testament to the valor of all American LRRPs, who courageously risked their lives so that others might be free.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 6:53 pm to Jim Rockford
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During the Vietnam war, clandestine teams of MACV SOG green berets would be dropped into Laos Cambodia, and even North Vietnam to study, observe and report on troop communist movement. Quite often these clandestine teams would be hunted by dogs and soldiers resulting in fierce firefights. When these firefights broke out and an emergency extraction would have to take place, the code name for this mission was "Prairie Fire" Randy Jayne takes us on an incredible journey as he recounts just how treacherous these missions were.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 7:32 pm to Darth_Vader
And you, fine Sir, are among the few that have articulated the exact truthful story about Vietnam. God bless each and every young man and women from this beautiful nation that sacrificed such a high price for the rest of us. God forbid we ever have to fight again amongst ourselves, but if we do, we should look up every one of those traitors and hang them where they stand. Every damn one of them.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 7:45 pm to Arbengal
Thank you. I consider the story of the US “losing” the Vietnam War as one of the biggest lies ever sold to the American public.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 7:50 pm to Jim Rockford
The day Franklin Miller's team was inserted in Laos, 3 other teams were as well. There weren't 4 QRFs, so he tried to apply judicious, probably overly judicious, use of calling Prairie Fire.
There were three escalating call signs when the shite hit the fan. I can't recall the first, but the second was a Tac-E, or tactical emergency. Basically, we're in contact, trying to break contact with the enemy, have wounded, but the situation isn't too drastic. Prairie Fire, the third stage, is we're surrounded and in imminent danger of being overrun any minute.
Miller never called Prairie Fire after an entire day of fighting, even with three dead and the rest of the team wounded. His reasoning? He didn't think they were completely surrounded, although they couldn't move because of their injuries. They were certainly in danger of being overrun by a superior force. But he was reluctant to call Prairie Fire because he knew 3 other teams were inserted that day and he wasn't sure if they weren't having a worse day than him.
There were three escalating call signs when the shite hit the fan. I can't recall the first, but the second was a Tac-E, or tactical emergency. Basically, we're in contact, trying to break contact with the enemy, have wounded, but the situation isn't too drastic. Prairie Fire, the third stage, is we're surrounded and in imminent danger of being overrun any minute.
Miller never called Prairie Fire after an entire day of fighting, even with three dead and the rest of the team wounded. His reasoning? He didn't think they were completely surrounded, although they couldn't move because of their injuries. They were certainly in danger of being overrun by a superior force. But he was reluctant to call Prairie Fire because he knew 3 other teams were inserted that day and he wasn't sure if they weren't having a worse day than him.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 8:28 pm to White Roach
Great thread! I bought Across the Fence and I'm almost through reading it, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is next.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 10:09 pm to White Roach
As stated in the video, there was a mole inside MACV. The NVA knew when and where these teams were coming.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 10:13 pm to ForLSU56
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A large majority of war vets that experienced the real shite very seldom do talk about...now wanna-bes, that's a different story.
My FIL, before he passed, never spoke about Nam. One night he and I were just sitting on the back porch and he was sipping coffee. He knew I loved history and he was going to meet up with his buddies he did a tour with in the coming months. Out of nowhere, and completely unsolicited, he says, “you know, we were out one night (I think he said 5 of us) and we were supposed to set up radio communications for the guys coming later. We hear the claymores go off. We wait. Dawn breaks and nothing else happens. We go check. Two old men and what looked like was a 10-12 year old boy was torn to pieces. It was bad.”
His voice was shaking a bit. To this day I don’t know why he felt the need to say that. He never spoke about the war to my wife, brother in law, or my mother in law. It was a surreal moment. He was the kindest man I have ever met. Ever. Would open the doors to church every chance he got. I can’t imagine what he and other servicemen experienced over there.
God bless our troops and veterans. He had a full military burial. Taps rang beautiful that day when he was buried.
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