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Were PMC’s in Africa during the Cold War good guys or bad?
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:05 pm
Executive outcomes
I went down a rabbit hole on African private military companies and how throughout the 60s and 70s they were used in many bush wars. It seems some see them as defenders from communism and others as the defenders of colonialism. Does anyone here have more info on what these mercenary groups were really up to back then? I feel like this is a fascinating part of history that is forgotten about. Also makes me want to watch blood diamond again
I went down a rabbit hole on African private military companies and how throughout the 60s and 70s they were used in many bush wars. It seems some see them as defenders from communism and others as the defenders of colonialism. Does anyone here have more info on what these mercenary groups were really up to back then? I feel like this is a fascinating part of history that is forgotten about. Also makes me want to watch blood diamond again
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:06 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Obviously good guys. I will provide no other context. Good day and you’re welcome.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:17 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
if you are motivated by money to take part in a death squad , more or less, you are probably not the best person, regardless if you are fighting communism or defending colonialism. I dont know, its not my place to judge the way a man makes a living, but I dont think the organizations/states who were paying these guys ever had the average Congolese (just an example) persons best interest in mind. Good link there, I love Journeyman Pictures. so much good stuff.
These are also the same groups that funneled weapons to death squads like the Glenanne Gang in Northern Ireland I believe, so make of that what you will
These are also the same groups that funneled weapons to death squads like the Glenanne Gang in Northern Ireland I believe, so make of that what you will
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:19 pm to EastWestConnection
quote:I get that perspective but that the same time many of these guys were soldiers forged in world war 2 who had a set of skills that led them in that direction. If you have a service that is valuable and can make you lots of money why not provide said service?
if you are motivated by money to take part in a death squad , more or less, you are probably not the best person, regardless if you are fighting communism or defending colonialism.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:20 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
They were fighting communists insurgents.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:21 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Yeah I dont know , I am honestly not trying to judge them. I wasnt there, not in their position.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:22 pm to EastWestConnection
If youre good at something dont do it for free.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:23 pm to EastWestConnection
quote:that’s where I’m at too. They obviously did things that I could never see myself doing, but at the same time when you are fighting people who are cannibals, it’s hard to say you’re entirely in the wrong either.
Yeah I dont know , I am honestly not trying to judge them. I wasnt there, not in their position.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:26 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
The soldiers of fortune came into their own at that time
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:30 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:
African private military companies
Accounted for 80% of the content in Soldier Of Fortune magazine.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 4:03 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:thompson gunning, alongside roland
Does anyone here have more info on what these mercenary groups were really up to back then?
Posted on 1/24/25 at 4:36 pm to cgrand
That son-of-a-bitch van Owen...
Posted on 1/24/25 at 4:59 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:LINK
1976: Death sentence for mercenaries
Three Britons and an American have been sentenced to death by firing squad for their mercenary roles during the Angolan civil war.
A further nine men were sentenced to prison terms ranging from 16 to 30 years at the People's Revolutionary Tribunal in Luanda.
Ernesto Teixeira da Silva, one of five judges presiding over the case, said: "Africa feels mercenaries are a danger to the people, the children and to the security of the state. They spread fear, shame and hatred in Angola."
Costas Georgiou and Andrew McKenzie, who both served in the British army, were given the death sentence for participating in the killing of two Angolan citizens and fellow mercenaries.
American Daniel Gearhart was sentenced to death for advertising himself as a mercenary in an American newspaper.
I don't feel sorry for them
Recruiter John Banks
John Derek Barker's role as a leader of mercenaries in Northern Angola led the judges to send him to face the firing squad.
The sentences have now been referred to the Angolan President Agostinho Neto. He must approve the sentences before any actions can be carried out.
British Prime Minister James Callaghan has reportedly asked the Angolan President to show clemency towards the men sentenced to death.
Lawyers acting on behalf of the defendants are appealing against the decision saying: "In our view there is no crime of mercenary nor was there disclosed such crime in Angolan law."
In Britain the man who recruited the British mercenaries, John Banks, said: "I don't feel sorry for them. They are soldiers, they knew what they were doing. I would do it again."
The 13 men were hired to fight in the civil war that broke out when Angola gained independence from Portugal in 1975.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 5:02 pm to BobABooey
quote:They were getting it done and keeping the peace too. Groups like Executive Outcomes were very good at stabilizing otherwise lawless shitholes.
African private military companies
Accounted for 80% of the content in Soldier Of Fortune magazine.
Then the UN stepped in and called them names, and they were politically pushed out. This was great for the UN, Israel, et al because chaotic shitholes are good for the arms business.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 5:47 pm to blueboy
Exactly, africa makes the ME inbreds look sane. PMCs were very much the "good guys" in that shite hole of a landmass.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 5:59 pm to fr33manator
That was actually pretty good.
Entertaining
Entertaining
Posted on 1/24/25 at 6:00 pm to fr33manator
I’ve also learned that what I previously thought about the mercenaries being racist white guys is totally wrong. Most of these units were interracial with many locals mixed in who just wanted a functioning society. Same with Rhodesia
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