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re: Well this sucks: PayPal sides with buyer

Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:25 pm to
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41962 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:25 pm to
It was a digital ticket.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
179864 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:26 pm to
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the physical ticket is not an intangible.


how the frick did he email a physical ticket to the buyer?
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
141085 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:27 pm to
The seller never wins disputes
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41962 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:29 pm to
So what I’ve learned today is you can just buy digital goods, pay for them, and then file a complaint with your credit card.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
103819 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:30 pm to
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paid a $14 fee to get fricked


You did good. Usually cost me 100 bucks an hour to get fricked
Posted by Tigereye10005
New York, NY
Member since Sep 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:32 pm to
Can you prove that the tickets were legitimate? Or even better, can you prove that the tickets were used at the concert?

Those are two important questions if you're really concerned about the issue.

Unfortunately, you probably used the option to where the person just sent you the money as a "friend" or whatever it's called so that you didn't have to pay the buy/sell fee. Because of that, PayPal will not be required to put the money back in your account. However, you can certainly argue your case to them, showing that the tickets were legitimate and/or that they were used at the concert, and maybe they'll give in.

If they don't give in, file a claim in small claims court against the buyer and paypal. Come with proof that you made the sale legitimately and that the tickets were real and/or used. If he's able to prove in small claims that his credit card info was hacked, I think there's still a good chance that a small claims judge rules in your favor and at a minimum requires that paypal put the money back in your account, even if the money doesn't come out of the buyer's pocket.
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
70813 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:33 pm to
Or the guy who bought the tickets used someone else’s card to pay.
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41962 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:34 pm to
No I used the invoice option hence the $14 fee but they claim intangible goods aren’t covered h set seller protection
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41962 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:35 pm to
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Or the guy who bought the tickets used someone else’s card to pay.


Still not my problem.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:35 pm to
you have to have a credit card connected to your account so they will charge it to that so the only solution there is to cancel it and request a new card.

next step is to go to the bank and request a new account number to avoid them trying that route, they "shouldnt" be able to, but why take the risk it if someone just processes the request for reimbursement of funds without verifying authorization, or maybe you already unknowingly gave them authorization for that when setting up the paypal account.

lastly, once you did all that they cant "take" the money from you, but they can and will report you to creditors and a collection agency

good luck with that, is it really worth all that and bad credit over $500?

its best to just take the life lesson and move on, and remember, if you do any more online transactions, ever, you will most likely have to go through paypal to do it
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 2:37 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41962 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:38 pm to
Yea I prefer the small claims court option over rolling over and dying.
Posted by Tigereye10005
New York, NY
Member since Sep 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:38 pm to
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No I used the invoice option hence the $14 fee but they claim intangible goods aren’t covered h set seller protection


Hm well I'm pretty sure an electronic ticket is considered a tangible good. The reason intangible goods aren't covered is because they probably don't want to get into disputes regarding quality of service. I.E: I pay you $500 to paint my house and then rescind the money because I say you did a bad job.

Again, if you can prove the ticket was used, that should be sufficient to show that the sale was legitimate, and you should also win any argument about whether a ticket is a tangible good.

ETA: I looked into it a little and an e-ticket may not be considered a tangible good. If he printed it and used it, it's tangible. If he just had it scanned from his phone or something, it might not be.
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 2:42 pm
Posted by LZ83
La
Member since Sep 2016
17446 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:39 pm to
Sometimes it’s nice to be OT poor. I don’t have to worry bout all that.
Posted by adamb2151
Houston, Texas
Member since Jun 2013
6586 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:41 pm to
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Have you contacted your local police dept to possibly pursue it as a theft case?


Yes, I would press charges.
Posted by DLauw
SWLA
Member since Sep 2011
6195 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:42 pm to
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That's why you don't do business with PayPal.
Or American Express
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:42 pm to
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Yes, I would press charges.


Wait, Mingo told me that is a waste of time that the cops doin't care about credit card theft................
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13922 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:44 pm to
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Quick story I sell some concert tickets on Craigslist and send a PayPal invoice to the email address and receive money then transferred the tickets (via Ticketmaster) to that same email address . I had email conversations with the buyer agreed on a price and confirmed receipt of money and receipt of tickets. A couple weeks later I have a complaint on my PayPal account and now a negative balance because the buyer claims unauthorized access to his account. Basically guy tells credit card company he was hacked and hacker sent his money to buy the tickets.

I send all my shite over to PayPal proving that I sent the tickets and they were received and now got an email saying I lost the case and as an extra frick you were gonna charge another $20. They claim Intangible goods or services are not covered under Seller Protection.

I had a zero balance at the time they tried to take the money back so my balance is now $-520. I intend to just close this acccount but is their anyway they can take the money out of my bank account without my authorization??

Had a similar situation in the past through ebay. Ebay refuses to recognize electronic transfers of tickets. They told me that if I do not have a tracking number showing physical receipt by the buyer, they buyer will always win the dispute. In this current technological age, ebay is still 20 years behind.
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
70813 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:45 pm to
I know it isn’t your problem. It seems like PayPal should cover it since you did nothing wrong.
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:47 pm to
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I paid a $14 fee to get fricked


I'd be at the back closing my account, then I'd close PayPal with a kiss my arse note.
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41962 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:48 pm to
Apparently the case is still open between PayPal and the credit card company. It could take up to 75 days and my account is basically locked out until it’s settled since there’s no way in hell im putting the money to resolve the negative balance.
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