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re: We, as a society, really dropped the ball on potential police reform
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:25 pm to ElRoos
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:25 pm to ElRoos
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the MPD actually had this kneeling on a perp's neck in their training manual going back to 2016 iirc goes to show that we def need some form of police reform. I mean for christ's sake, the dude was already cuffed
I doubt the manual advised kneeling on the neck after they're cuffed.
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:26 pm to jfran23
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A counterfeit 20 dollar bill should not be a life or death situation.
It shouldn’t but that’s the risk you run when engaging in crime. You deal with police.
See, this is what I never understand about people and lack of responsibility. Life doesn’t happen in a vacuum, if you choose A, your outcomes are never limited to a defined set.
Life is full of variables and certain choices lead to a higher probability of unintended or higher risk outcomes.
In your example, I use a forged $20 bill. What if the vendor spots it and tries to detain me. I’m in a situation that I no longer have control of. That simple choice to pass a $20 bill (assuming knowingly) brings out a whole other different set of possible outcomes.
Floyd unfortunately found that out the hard way. There are very few victims of circumstance that didn’t lead there through personal choice.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:29 pm to QJenk
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Why can't there be both. Why do we have to pick and choose . Why can't we hold criminals accountable, while simultaneously holding dirty and bad cops accountable?
We have the highest per capita prison population in the entire world. I'd say criminals are being held accountable, and even more than they should be given in many situations the amount of non-violent criminals that end up in jail. Sentencing reform is an entirely different conversation but to say that criminals aren't being held accountable when we have an absurd amount of people in jail is just foolish.
The reason that police HAVE to be held accountable is because they wield all the power in these exchanges. Unless a police officer is filmed doing something like what just happened, which is happening more and more often, they will never be held accountable for their actions that result in the death of civilians.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:34 pm to DiamondDog
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It shouldn’t but that’s the risk you run when engaging in crime. You deal with police.
May you never speed, have a brake light out, have a poker game at your house, etc.
Or in this specific case, unknowingly get a counterfeit bill as change, and then use it elsewhere.
Lots of studies that the average American breaks around 3 crimes a day, due to how many nuance differences in laws between jurisdictions, and frankly unnecessary laws.
Also, there needs to be a very big disparity between how violent and non-violent crimes are enforced.
ETA: corrected some poor grammar in the last paragraph, please don't call the cops on me!
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:39 pm to Baws
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Had we kept the protests civil, we could have had a conversation and reform in the justice system. Instead, we have people wrecking businesses and innocent people. All we see is dirty laundry on the news and now people are starting to dig into the sand and take hard stands in their sides.
Almost like this was intentional, and you sheep are eating it right up.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:45 pm to redbaron
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May you never speed, have a brake light out, have a poker game at your house, etc.
Or in this specific case, unknowingly get a counterfeit bill as change, and then use it elsewhere.
See this red herring? It’s here all the time in these arguments. You can’t equate a traffic ticket to passing counterfeit money.
The only time I’ve seen counterfeit money was at a strip club when given change and I handed it back asking for a new bill. It was poorly printed and the wrong paper.
Again, the premise of my argument is overlooked and written off. You commit crime, you bring about unintended consequences.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:59 pm to DiamondDog
Blows my mind how many people just excuse away bad behavior of cops with the logic that the bad behavior wouldn't have happened if the suspect was committing a crime in the first place.
It's stupid, lazy and frankly un-american to think like that.
It's stupid, lazy and frankly un-american to think like that.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:00 pm to DiamondDog
The most common "answer" here has been to pay LEO's more money. With what the virus has done to the Federal, State, and local economies, there is considerably less money now than ever before to increase their pay. And will not be for a while it seems. Require a college degree goes back to more money, as a person with a degree will expect to be paid a certain amount of money. Not LEO wages. Re the police unions & their power: which political party thrives on union members the most, by far? Yet which party is deemed, right or wrong, anti police? With regards to needing our political representatives to be more ethical, consider what happens each legislative session, country wide" when 10 politicians gather off to the side : are they discussing what is in the public's best interests, or their own??? Color me realistic, I see no real change coming in regards to race relations.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:08 pm to DiamondDog
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You want a higher quality of cop on the street
Absolutely, I think everyone would be all for that.
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You assume better pay equates to better candidates
Not at all. But I do think there needs to be a change in the perception of the police force.
What about once a month, there is a pickup game at the local parks. 10-15 cops from local level to state are paid to attend, and play 3-4 hours of pickup games against the youth. Get some professional athletes involved from the area that want to improve the community.
Or once a month, have breakfast with the police. Have a local company come out and cook pancakes.
There are already many programs like this out there, that I probably don't know much about, but we need more positive interactions with police and the youth of today. This isn't going to change things overnight, but it may have an impact on the future. All they ever see on TV is the negative of the police force, but these are the small things that can change their perception over time.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:09 pm to Pintail
Midnight basketball 
But seriously I see a lot of what you’re talking about at the local level
But seriously I see a lot of what you’re talking about at the local level
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:13 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Blows my mind how many people just excuse away bad behavior of cops with the logic that the bad behavior wouldn't have happened if the suspect was committing a crime in the first place.
Bad police behavior is inexcusable.
However, this is an argument of ultimate vs. proximate cause. In this example of a simple three-chain interaction (crime committed, police interaction with suspect, death), the interaction is a proximate cause of death, whereas the crime was the ultimate cause of death.
Obviously this is a simple chain of events, and could ultimately be taken back further.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:18 pm to Sasquatch Smash
But a ton of people don't give a shite about the proximate cause. It's a lazy and stupid way of thinking.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:20 pm to DiamondDog
Billy Cannon
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:24 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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But a ton of people don't give a shite about the proximate cause.
Obviously they do since there are riots in dozens of cities.
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It's a lazy and stupid way of thinking.
It's lazy and stupid to try to get to the root of the actual problem?
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:28 pm to Sasquatch Smash
You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:32 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Obviously they do since there are riots in dozens of cities.
I'm more referencing the people on here and other social media that basically handwave away bad police actions because the criminal “started it”
It’s odd that a significant number of people are down with shitty behavior as long as someone else’s shitty behavior led up to it.
Look at the arbery threads. Plenty of “well he was had a criminal past and wouldn’t have gotten killed if he wasn’t trespassing so I don’t care that he’s dead or that the proximate cause of his death was shitty, illegal behavior”
It’s a childish, low IQ way of thinking and unfortunately a lot of people think that way
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:44 pm to DiamondDog
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police reform
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criminal reform
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:45 pm to jsquardjj
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Then the riots started, pushing people who may have had their first taste of empathy back another 20 years.
Fo shizzle
Posted on 6/1/20 at 1:56 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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It's stupid, lazy and frankly un-american to think like that.
You’re right. Taking Personal Responsibility for your actions is un-American nowadays.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:08 pm to IAmNERD
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At this point, I'm not sure what the answer is and I'm not sure the divide between police and the public can be healed.
There is no divide between the public and police. I get approached multiple times a day while on duty by citizens saying, "Thank you". The American public isn't a bunch of edgy tryhards on the internet.
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