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re: Was there any doubt the US/Allies would win WW2

Posted on 11/3/19 at 6:19 am to
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 6:19 am to
This shot is from “Forrest Gump”:

The White House bathroom after Forrest drinks too much pop?



I member.
This post was edited on 11/3/19 at 6:20 am
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 6:22 am to
As far as the Pacific, I think the Japanese knew they had to force the U.S. to sue for peace quickly. I think Japan realized that if the U.S. were able to fully mobilize and summon its full military and industrial might, there would be no way to win the war. Hence, the plan to destroy the U.S. Pacific Fleet. Fortunately, Midway was a massive victory for the United States, saving our aircraft carriers and crippling the Japanese Fleet. After that, we could throw our full strength into the war, and Japan was doomed.
This post was edited on 11/3/19 at 6:28 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 6:45 am to
The Japanese, save for a small minority of fanatical hardliners, had no illusions of defeating the United States outright. Hence why Pearl Harbor and Midway happened. The IJN was trying to destroy the U.S. Pacific Fleet in one go so as to bring the U.S. to the negotiating table from a position of absolute strength. All Japan wanted was oil and other natural resources to continue their ground war on the Chinese mainland.
Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 6:45 am to
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He could have concentrated his efforts on China and Middle East essentially linking Italy, Japan, and Germany into 1 large group that no other country could stop.




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Posted by Tigerstark
Parts unknown
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 6:49 am to
As long as the US public had the will to endure the losses, there was no doubt we would beat Japan. That was Japan's big gamble. It may have taken twice as long if things like Midway don't go they way they do. But unless the US public decided it became too bloody, Japan had no chance.

As for Germany - they seemed invincible early on. Russian lives and US manufacturing helped turn the tide. As well as bad decisions, bad allies, and bad timing for the German assault on Russia.



Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 8:17 am to
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if it means sending you to a camp, count me in


I lol'd
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6419 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 8:24 am to
LOL - no, that would be all of the European right wingers and industrialists who couldn't stop making deals and concessions to Hitler. You can thank Clement Atlee and the British labor party for getting Churchill in charge. Try a history book.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 8:29 am to
So would have Patton, cuck.
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Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 8:31 am to
Every single German land offensive which stalled did so because of lack of fuel thus mobility went to zero.

Russia had fuel, not because of lack of oil but because the U.S. sent entire refining process units to Russia. Without entire manufacturing plants being made in the USA and shipped to Russia, Hitler would have marched through it even with lack of fuel. I paid no attention to this until a Russian refinery manager who came over to look at a refinery I was taking down and liquidated in early 1990's SoCal hadn't of told me that he had 3 identical units like one at that Shell refinery. This was through a translator. His only sentence in English was, "Thank you, President Roosevelt"

Germany really had no choice except to attack Russia as it needed Russia's resources which it had none of. It did have coal.

Germany came damned close to marching through Egypt which would have left Russia's oilfields wide open for the taking from up through the Middle East but ran out of fuel and had to stop after taking part of Egypt.

There is a whole lot of b.s. about Hitler's synthetic fuel. First, Hitler didn't use Fischer Tropsch at all but an I.G. Farben process with chemistry similar to that used in hydrocracking in refineries. Standard Oil applied it to the first hydrocracker ever built (pre-WWII at its Baton Rouge refinery. Second, the process was very expensive and overall never enough fuel was produced to even have a single mobile offensive.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 8:45 am to
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So would have Patton, cuck.


And there it is

Thank you for your honesty
Posted by NikolaiJakov
Moscow
Member since Mar 2014
2803 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 8:52 am to
If Japan doesn't attack Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt doesn't go to war without a false flag. He wanted in but was a politician first. Pearl Harbor was like a gift to him.

If the US doesn't go in, the war looks completely different.

Maybe the allies still win, but it's likely Russia walks through Germany and doesn't stop till they reach the Atlantic.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74612 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 8:57 am to
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If hitler hadn’t stopped at the doorstep to Moscow because of his hard on to defeat Stalingrad then he would have conquered Russia and then he would have had all the resources needed.


Hitler didn’t “stop” at the doorstep of Moscow. The German army ground to a halt when their final push, “Operation Typhoon” was stopped by fresh Soviet reinforcements and a massive blizzard. As for going after Stalingrad, that wasn’t even on Hitler’s mind I’m December 1941 and had no bearing on the Battle of Moscow.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 8:59 am to
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I’m sure everyone knew the deaths and sacrifices would be extreme and necessary


Why it was necessary to send a million English and Americans to their deaths to insure Soviet/Sino domination of the Eastern hemisphere and give 150 million poor souls a certain death sentence i don’t understand.
Posted by escatawpabuckeye
Member since Jan 2013
1057 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:01 am to
Once hitler was repulsed in 1941, it was clear that Germany would not subjugate the Soviet Union. A negotiated peace was theoretically possible but unlikely given ideology.

Once the US formally entered the war the outcome was assured. It was only a matter of time and casualties at that point.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
117170 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:56 am to
Yes
Posted by Harry Morgan
Member since Sep 2019
10340 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 10:16 am to
In January 1943, Vegas had the early line Allies -3.5.
Posted by FreeState
Member since Jun 2012
3700 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 10:19 am to
I can't speak to what our leaders thought at the time but I can speak to what many WWII vets I've spoke to over the years. Not one of them every doubted the resolve of the US soldier, sailor, or Marine.

Best generation made it happen.

We've been pussies ever since.

Bring back Harry Truman.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21842 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 10:22 am to
It would have been much more of an unknown had the Germans not invaded Russia.

Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 10:25 am to
Once the American industrial machine cranked up, the end was inevitable.
Posted by ecb
Member since Jul 2010
10328 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 10:25 am to
Yes
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