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re: Was the US military caught a little flat footed by cheap drone warfare?
Posted on 4/14/26 at 1:39 pm to weagle1999
Posted on 4/14/26 at 1:39 pm to weagle1999
We needed to find out sooner rather than later. If Ukraine falls, we need to bring some of their drone designers here just like we brought in the German rocket guys after WWII.
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Posted on 4/14/26 at 1:52 pm to weagle1999
The problem that we have is we have gotten so obsessed with condensing our forces to be a “smaller, faster, and agile” fighting force.
The issue with that is it becomes overly reliant on high tech to make up for the lack of numbers, thus increasing the price point for all of the equipment. Additionally, with the reduced numbers, you can quickly go from 100% to 80/90% effectiveness with a couple well placed/timed strikes and or mishaps.
The issue with that is it becomes overly reliant on high tech to make up for the lack of numbers, thus increasing the price point for all of the equipment. Additionally, with the reduced numbers, you can quickly go from 100% to 80/90% effectiveness with a couple well placed/timed strikes and or mishaps.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 2:10 pm to weagle1999
What if I told you 1970s ship based radar has enough power to fry the electronics of almost any drone in flight?
Posted on 4/14/26 at 2:10 pm to UnitedFruitCompany
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Our tank crews are so insanely good. Would be interesting to see what they could do in Iran during an all out assault on a position. I really pray it doesn;t come to that, of course. Those fellas arent the best for nothing though.
IED’s and drones complicate things for tanks, warfare is changing.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 2:14 pm to brass2mouth
I also think there is a moral/philosophical component to this too. Didn't serve, so open to thoughts.
Our casualty aversion is so high and most Americans are so removed from tangible losses (property or life) in warfare that a few drone strikes succeeding out of thousands can create a political crisis.
Part of that is the nature of conflicts we get involved in, of course. But still, the enemy knowing that it only has to succeed a couple of times and kill a few dozen servicemembers to potentially greatly undermine our mandate makes it all the more attractive to them and widens the incongruity for us.
Our casualty aversion is so high and most Americans are so removed from tangible losses (property or life) in warfare that a few drone strikes succeeding out of thousands can create a political crisis.
Part of that is the nature of conflicts we get involved in, of course. But still, the enemy knowing that it only has to succeed a couple of times and kill a few dozen servicemembers to potentially greatly undermine our mandate makes it all the more attractive to them and widens the incongruity for us.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 2:16 pm to weagle1999
I'd rather learn that lesson in Ukraine and or Iran than on US soil. I'll allow the learning curve.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 2:16 pm to X123F45
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What if I told you 1970s ship based radar has enough power to fry the electronics of almost any drone in flight?
At what range?
Are we using it? If not, why not?
Posted on 4/14/26 at 2:19 pm to riverdiver
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At what range?
Are we using it? If not, why not?
yea we are using it, we have other things too that can fry em but you you have to have assets in place to do it. cant do it from hundreds of miles away
Posted on 4/14/26 at 2:42 pm to Marshhen
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Why? The government won't spend less money...they'll just make more drones at a higher markup.
I often wondered about this. They say that we, the US, spend the most money on our military per our GDP. I'm positive it costs us a ton extra because of the markup of all the "Golden Toilet Seats" as such. China doesn't spend as much but that's got to be because their government regulates how much their military industrial complex can charge for a plane, tank, guns, etc....
Posted on 4/14/26 at 3:05 pm to riverdiver
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At what range?
Trump accidentally disclosed they are to track the electronic signature of a specific human heart...from space.
I don't think the drone is as big of a threat as you believe
Posted on 4/14/26 at 3:06 pm to papasmurf1269
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Asymmetrical warfare is always going to be a weak point for the US military
It'll always be a weak point for any military. That's why it's been so effective for centuries.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 3:20 pm to weagle1999
Our Switchblade suicide drones for anti-personnel attacks cost about $60k each. Ukraine is effectively using drones costing a tiny fraction of that.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 3:26 pm to RollTide1987
It's just silly watching an F-16 struggle to fly slow enough to fire on a Shahed drone.
I assume the manufacturing and storage facilities for drones have been targeted by the US. That would be my first order of business. Surely, we have intelligence to locate those even if they are dispersed around the country.
I assume the manufacturing and storage facilities for drones have been targeted by the US. That would be my first order of business. Surely, we have intelligence to locate those even if they are dispersed around the country.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 3:27 pm to Pettifogger
Americans absolutely will not put up with drone videos of servicemen being blown to bits.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 3:39 pm to Jmcc64
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just silly watching an F-16 struggle to fly slow enough to fire on a Shahed drone
That's not what he was doing.
He was in a populated area and attempting to use his jet wash to cause a response.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 3:43 pm to weagle1999
Yes they were caught flat footed
However knowing that a former president sent billions of dollars in cash on pallets, you can design or acquire a lot of weapons. So it should have been expected.
However knowing that a former president sent billions of dollars in cash on pallets, you can design or acquire a lot of weapons. So it should have been expected.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:36 pm to Pettifogger
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also think there is a moral/philosophical component to this too. Didn't serve, so open to thoughts.
Our casualty aversion is so high and most Americans are so removed from tangible losses (property or life) in warfare that a few drone strikes succeeding out of thousands can create a political crisis.
Part of that is the nature of conflicts we get involved in, of course. But still, the enemy knowing that it only has to succeed a couple of times and kill a few dozen servicemembers to potentially greatly undermine our mandate makes it all the more attractive to them and widens the incongruity for us.
Historically, Americans have always had a very short attention span in regards to wars/conflicts and you can find evidence of that in the 17/1800’s. It’s just something we here don’t with very well, which strategically, hampers what policies get implemented because politicians start to feel the heat.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 7:17 pm to brass2mouth
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Historically, Americans have always had a very short attention span in regards to wars/conflicts and you can find evidence of that in the 17/1800’s. It’s just something we here don’t with very well, which strategically, hampers what policies get implemented because politicians start to feel the heat.
"A democracy cannot fight a Seven Years War" - George C. Marshall
Posted on 4/14/26 at 8:14 pm to X123F45
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What if I told you 1970s ship based radar has enough power to fry the electronics of almost any drone in flight?
But could they do it without damaging equipment on board the ship (or other friendlies) and sustain it for any duration?
Posted on 4/14/26 at 8:19 pm to weagle1999
No one has been surprised by the effectiveness. Countering it is much more difficult than employing though, especially at scale.
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