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re: Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
You know not what you speak sir. It’s easy to armchair qb this 73 or so years later. There are a lot more variables involved than you applying 2018 thinking, given the freedoms and liberties you’ve been afforded to educate yourself to even argue your misguided thought. You were dealing with a leader that had the ability to organize an effective strike on us soil that has never been done nor repeated till 9/11. NOT decimating them sets a precedence....if you do something like this, these are the consequences. There are no punish corners in world wars....
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
We were also crunched for time. The Soviets used WWII to gobble up Eastern Europe and were poised to do the same in Asia. We needed a swift end to WWII to stop Soviet expansion.
Not that it helped much since China fell to communism as did NK, Vietnam, and Laos
Not that it helped much since China fell to communism as did NK, Vietnam, and Laos
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:43 pm to The Pirate King
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Those were the options.
wrong, read my OP
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Truman's lie
And jet fuel can't melt steel beams
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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As a result of the naked futility of their position, the Japanese had approached the Russians, seeking their help in brokering a peace to end the War. The U.S. had long before broken the Japanese codes and knew that these negotiations were under way
This was a mistake. By 1945, Russia and the US/Western Europe were worried about who was going to control what. I would imagine that the US didn't want any part of a Russia-involved negotiation with Japan when we had the Japanese effectively finished.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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wrong, read my OP
No one gives a frick about your CSPAN , LA Times, and fricking Wikipedia links.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:45 pm to Crowknowsbest
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By 1945, Russia and the US/Western Europe were worried about who was going to control what. I would imagine that the US didn't want any part of a Russia-involved negotiation with Japan when we had the Japanese effectively finished.
Which is why the bombs were really dropped
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:46 pm to LNCHBOX
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No one gives a frick about your CSPAN , LA Times, and fricking Wikipedia links.
it's really sad how unwilling most of you are to even entertain ideas contrary to what you learned in 5th grade.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So you either think the Japanese would have surrendered without the bomb
they absolutely would have, did you read my OP?
Can we clarify if you mean conditional surrender (emperor still remains in power, etc) or unconditional surrender?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
It prevented us having to go through with Operation Downfall, which my grandfather was going to be a part of, so in just my perspective, hell yes it was necessary.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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As a result of the naked futility of their position, the Japanese had approached the Russians, seeking their help in brokering a peace to end the War. The U.S. had long before broken the Japanese codes and knew that these negotiations were under way, knew that the Japanese had for months been trying to find a way to surrender
Seriously, how fricking hard can it be to say "we quit" and stop shooting. This is a stupid point.
War or peace...it is that easy.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Ask the people at Nanking if it was necessary. I feel bad for the civilians, but the country absolutely deserved a nuke or two.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:47 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Can we clarify if you mean conditional surrender (emperor still remains in power, etc) or unconditional surrender?
You do realize this
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emperor still remains in power
is what we got, right?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
No. If Japan had not bombed us first it would have been avoided.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:48 pm to NikolaiJakov
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It prevented us having to go through with Operation Downfall
no it didn't, that's what this thread is all about.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Which is why the bombs were really dropped
Pretty valid reason imo. It sucks for the Japanese people that died, but the show of force was likely necessary for solidifying US power in the region and deterring a second large scale war between the US/west and the Soviets.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary?
Does a bear shite in the woods?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
If the bombs had not been dropped then there's a good chance many of us baws would not be alive to post on the OT so for that fact alone it was necessary.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
1) Yes, Japan was ready to surrender on its terms not the terms of the Potsdam Declaration declared near the end of July '45.
2) An example needed to be made of and a display of the power of the new weapon needed to be made.
Japan was starving, crippled and its fists broken. They were still refusing to let go and let be until the bitter end. Fleets of aircraft burned their cities to ashes. But it only took one to unleash a similar hell.
But you can't feel bad. As a people they crossed the moral horizon long before they attacked Pearl Harbor in a vain attempt to mimic the colonial powers of the 1800's. So they were easily forfeit to bring in Pax Americana.
2) An example needed to be made of and a display of the power of the new weapon needed to be made.
Japan was starving, crippled and its fists broken. They were still refusing to let go and let be until the bitter end. Fleets of aircraft burned their cities to ashes. But it only took one to unleash a similar hell.
But you can't feel bad. As a people they crossed the moral horizon long before they attacked Pearl Harbor in a vain attempt to mimic the colonial powers of the 1800's. So they were easily forfeit to bring in Pax Americana.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:50 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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it's really sad how unwilling most of you are to even entertain ideas contrary to what you learned in 5th grade.
Says the jackoff linking nothing put slanted material and who is just an unwilling to hear something different than what he already thinks.
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