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re: Was ashli babbitt a hero or traitor to her country?

Posted on 12/21/24 at 12:05 pm to
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 12:05 pm to
I'm sure all of that made sense to you when you posted it.

Good luck in your future endeavors.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9474 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 12:08 pm to
She is neither, but she shouldn’t have been shot and killed just as she leaned out a broken window into the House Speaker’s Lobby (not the chamber).

The cop who shot her should not have been employed at the time and should have been fired long before killing her for prior performance issues including for improperly discharging his weapon, leaving post at speaker office to play cards, and leaving his gun in a visitor restroom only to be found by another agent later; but he was not because he is black. After shooting he got a bonus 10 times greater than other cops, paid security and even housing for awhile, promotion to captain, and some other stuff.

There are pictures or maybe screenshots of security video of him walking around chamber just before the shooting with his finger on the trigger including while gun was pointed right at the back of a House Representative being protected while other agents were practicing trigger finger discipline even while in a still ready to fire position bracing for any breaches (they didn’t kill her and not even sure if they fired weapons). Then he nor others didn’t provide aid

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2001 - Byrd went to relieve the officer who covered Hastert’s office during Byrd’s break, but then abandoned his post and returned to the cloakroom to play cards

“Of course, we have cameras everywhere and we track him walking off post, going back to the cloakroom,” the source said. “And we talked to the other people in there and he was in there playing cards.”

Investigators also found that Byrd was eating and drinking at his post in the Speaker’s Office, activities forbidden by department policy, the source said.

“Supposed to be a bit of the decorum there, but he’s sitting in a chair eating and drinking a soda, which is a big taboo, especially back then,” the source said. “It’s the Speaker’s Office.”

Investigators confronted Byrd with their findings. He denied it all.

“Mike denies that he was supposed to be assigned to the post,” the source told Blaze News. “So therefore he couldn’t abandon the post. He denied eating and denied drinking on the post.”

Investigators already had the evidence they needed, but they gave Byrd a chance to come clean, the source said.

“They told him — and this is what we do when we’re getting ready to charge somebody — ‘We know different, Mike. There are video cameras up there.’ Mike still denies it.”

USCP disciplinary officer recommended that Byrd be fired.

“So they charge him with eating, drinking on post, abandoning post,” the source said. “They charge him with untruthful statements with the recommendation to terminate.”

Even with the evidence and firing recommendation, Capitol Police administration did not part ways with Byrd.

“He ends up getting into some trouble, but they won’t terminate him,” the source said. “So therefore they didn’t want to move forward with the untruthful statements [charge], but that was still a sustained charge against him.”

The source questioned how records of the 2001 case and two other disciplinary cases brought against Byrd could be “missing,” as congressional investigators were told by the USCP in early 2024.

… charges that he fired a weapon at fleeing vehicles near his home and provided an “inaccurate” account to investigators, claiming the vehicles were coming at him and attempting to run him over.

The Capitol Police Internal Affairs Division determined that Byrd violated use of force and use of weapons policies by discharging his service weapon in a “careless and imprudent manner.” Byrd appealed the finding to the Disciplinary Review Board, which overruled the OPR findings.

In 2015, Byrd was suspended without pay for seven days for an incident at a high school football game where Byrd berated an officer from the Montgomery County Police Department working security at the game, accusing him of being a “piece of sh*t” and a “racist a**hole.”

Byrd was suspended for 33 days without pay in 2019 for leaving his loaded service weapon in a bathroom in the Capitol Visitor Center. The gun was left unattended in the bathroom for some 55 minutes before it was discovered by another officer.

… According to Loudermilk’s Nov. 20 letter, the Capitol Police had planned to loan a shotgun to Byrd, but he failed the federal background check and did not qualify after shotgun training.

…Byrd also has a long history of financial troubles, according to Maryland public records and federal court filings.

In August 2019, the federal government won a tax-lien judgment of $56,366 against Byrd in Prince George’s Circuit Court.

According to federal court records, Byrd filed for Chapter 13 bankruptcy on March 9, 2009, and the case was converted to Chapter 7 bankruptcy in July 2010. Creditors filed $1.27 million in claims against Byrd. The case was discharged for $14,563.

Byrd also filed for bankruptcy in April 1999, and the case was discharged in July 1999. Archived U.S. Bankruptcy Court records do not indicate the amount of debt discharged in the case.



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Questions have been raised about Byrd’s handling of his service weapon on Jan. 6, besides the fatal shooting. A news photo distributed by Getty Images shows Capitol Police plainclothes agents with their guns pointed at the main House door after rioters in the hallway outside broke out some of the door’s frosted panes of glass. The agents had their fingers straight along the barrels, above the triggers of their weapons.

Byrd walked down the row of seats nearest the door with his finger on the trigger of his Glock handgun, the photo showed. He carried the Glock in his right hand at hip level and a package or similar object in his left hand.

Law enforcement officers are trained to keep their fingers off the trigger until they intend to fire and not point a weapon at any target they don’t intend to shoot.

Byrd’s weapon was pointed directly at the back of U.S. Rep. Troy Nehls (R-Texas), who was defending the House entrance with a long wooden hand sanitizer stand. Four other plainclothes and uniformed police officers were in his vicinity at the time.
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 1:19 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 12:15 pm to
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The fact that the cop in question got off with a slap on the wrist despite being uncooperative during the investigation into the shooting is absolutely asinine.


Pretty sure he got a car and assistance with down payment for a house. That is what the emails say from Pelosi’s office
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9474 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 12:29 pm to
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Pretty sure he got a car and assistance with down payment for a house. That is what the emails say from Pelosi’s office


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As more details of Byrd’s work history emerge, a key Republican lawmaker expressed reservations about Byrd’s 2023 promotion to captain.

“I have concerns about this decision, given Byrd’s lengthy disciplinary history and the apparent political influence of internal operational decisions related to Byrd following January 6, 2021,” U.S. Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.) wrote in a Nov. 20 letter to Capitol Police Chief J. Thomas Manger.

Revelation of Byrd’s 2001 disciplinary case comes as congressional investigators disclosed the lengths Democrat lawmakers and Capitol Police went to after Jan. 6 to provide Byrd with income, security upgrades at his Maryland home, and months of free lodging at a secure military hotel at Joint Base Andrews in Prince George’s County, Md.

… Byrd was given $36,000 in unrestricted funds as a “retention bonus” in 2021, while other Capitol Police officers received around $3,000 each. Byrd was reimbursed for more than $21,000 in security upgrades for his personal residence in Prince George’s County.

Capitol Police paid to house Byrd at the Joint Base Andrews military facility from July 2021 until late January 2022 at a cost of more than $35,000, according to records obtained by Judicial Watch Inc. When he left the base for any reason, Byrd was provided with a Capitol Police dignitary protection detail, which a source told Blaze News could easily cost $425 per hour.

A GoFundMe account set up in November 2021 to benefit Byrd ended up raising $164,206 from 3,621 donors. One of the largest donations came from U.S. Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), who chipped in $2,500. Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), a member of the Jan. 6 Select Committee, donated $200.

… department also looked at whether it could provide funding to Byrd to cover closing costs on the sale/purchase of a new home, according to the July 2021 DiBiase email.


https://www.theblaze.com/news/exclusive-officer-who-killed-ashli-babbitt-abandoned-us-capitol-post-for-card-game-lied-to-investigators-about-it-source-says
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16244 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 12:47 pm to
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Then why was there only one shooting? Why didn't cops shoot a bunch of other people too? Not sure if you knew or not, she wasn't the only person there.
Good question. I wondered at the time why they didn't have a MaDeuce taking out those people en masse.
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 1:01 pm to
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Green Chili Tiger

Laugh all you want, but if we could ever get the full truth of what happened, people would hang
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8456 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 1:39 pm to
She is in my "alive pool" at +1000.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
5784 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 2:16 pm to
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Pretty sure she entered the building through a broken window.

Should she have wondered why she was going through a window if it’s a public building anyone can walk in anytime they want?

Iirc the broken window she was climbing thru, when she was shot, was in the building already. She was climbing thru was actually her way of trying to escape what was going on between others and in the area she was in. As she was trapped per SE with that window as the only option.

The shot was piss poor and that officer needs to be brought to justice for it. Let's not ignore that the reason he was t was for political and rVisl reasons.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
37925 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:08 pm to
Martyr at best. She should not have been shot but people created a situation where bad shite could happen
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:09 pm to
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You can’t break into the government like that chief. What did she expect?


While I don't really have an opinion either way, the Kav hearings and all the pussy hats during the Bush years would be stacked bodies if that was the case.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71548 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:17 pm to
The biggest issue is that a group of shithead criminals were allowed to act like animals for months, burn cities, destroy livelihoods, loot businesses, kill people, and cause billions of dollars in damage, and barely anyone lifted a fricking finger to stop them. Yet, the second the elites in DC felt the least bit threatened they empowered the feds to go to the ends of the Earth to round up anyone who so much as took a shite in DC that day.

That tells you all you really need to know.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
37925 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:24 pm to
No argument there but that's the forest and AB is the trees
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37786 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:50 pm to
Who?
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
Member since Feb 2007
19698 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

Was ashli babbitt a hero or traitor to her country?

Somewhere in-between
Posted by PentagonTiger
Taylor Hall
Member since Dec 2008
1655 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 4:25 pm to
Wtf isn’t this post on the Poli Board?
Posted by Nativebullet
Natchez, MS
Member since Feb 2011
5169 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 4:37 pm to
sad
This post was edited on 6/16/25 at 4:24 am
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
56880 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 5:19 pm to
She was a broken woman whose life had fallen apart. She listened to the wrong people and put herself in a bad spot.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 12:11 pm
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
9628 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:06 pm to
dip
Posted by Vincenzo Pantangelli
Member since Nov 2024
1410 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:32 pm to
She had no weapon so thus did not deserve to be shot or killed.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17203 posts
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:41 pm to
She was a person who probably spent too much time on the internet on political talk boards that was tragically shot at a mostly peaceful protest.
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