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Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:15 pm to LucasP
quote:FIFY
You're been hanging out on the poli board or something? Your usually not this dumb.
You must not have been reading Scruffy's posts.
They really should get rid of TOPS in its entirety though. Scrap the program and shut down multiple public schools in LA.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:17 pm to Scruffy
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They really should get rid of TOPS in its entirety though. Scrap the program and shut down multiple public schools in LA.
If you look quantitatively at what TOPS has done for the caliber of students who attend our universities and the increases in metrics across the board, it would be sad to see it die. It would be interesting to see if those gains would be lost with the death of the program. My suspicion is they would be eroded severely.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:18 pm to Scruffy
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They really should get rid of TOPS in its entirety though. Scrap the program and shut down multiple public schools in LA.
Not harsh enough.
College is a needless frill that has no place in a state with a budget crisis. Twelth grade should probably be eliminated as well.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:19 pm to Scruffy
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He earned it and accepted it with a contractual agreement that he would maintain certain agreed upon scores. He broke the contract. He should have to repay what he took.
I signed no such contract.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:19 pm to LucasP
Maybe they could look at changing TOPS to a STEM program and make it a public-private partnership with Exxon and its partners who are already active in this area. If legislators see it as a lemon, at least make lemonade with it.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:20 pm to redbullwings
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TOPS should be paid back if the students fails out or drops out of school. So much money is wasted on students who fail out or dropout. People need to be held accountable for the tuition assistance they get. Make good grades and pass your classes, great and thanks for staying home for college. Flunk or drop out after a few semesters, pay back the tuition assistance you accepted.
Why? What if they are more educated than when they began college? Is graduating a stipulation of being educated?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:21 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
The real issue is that that won't save the program. The program isn't failing because people don't collect the entire award, it is failing because the people that keep it are too expensive for our budget (if you believe legislators that think TOPS is the least important thing we do).
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:22 pm to therick711
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That sounds great, but isn't really a problem with the program if you review their annual reports. The fact is there just aren't that many people who get TOPS who are wasting money by losing TOPS or not finishing.
Send your child with $$$ to go get clothes and some will go wild with it. Send them with $$$ and tell them to bring receipts and if you don't approve they will have to return it or pay you back, then they will be far more discretionary. As a state "hemorrhaging" (according to our governor and legislatures) for money every $ saved is a $ saved.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:22 pm to FearTheFish
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30 is absurdly high.
Maybe for retards
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:24 pm to AwesomeSauce
One could argue that it makes the State money when someone loses their TOPS award. They are already in school here and have to pay for it themselves. Just another perspective. The amount of persons who lose TOPS has dropped every year according to TOPS. The incentive to keep it has apparently worked. The demanding certain high school classes be taken has apparently made better students if you believe the statistics.
If they want to recollect, that's fine, but I think many Universities won't attach such strings to our best students.
If they want to recollect, that's fine, but I think many Universities won't attach such strings to our best students.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:26 pm to LNCHBOX
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Sweet cop out bro.
Your most recent is that 24 is a low score on the act.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:27 pm to therick711
Fair enough. I'm spit-balling here.
Would degrees being pursued be a good caveat to include? Put an increase tier inclusion for students pursuing certain degrees in need in the state?
Would degrees being pursued be a good caveat to include? Put an increase tier inclusion for students pursuing certain degrees in need in the state?
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:29 pm to LucasP
quote:To a degree, that is true.
College is a needless frill that has no place in a state with a budget crisis. Twelth grade should probably be eliminated as well.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:30 pm to AwesomeSauce
I think incentivizing what you want is a good thing. If the state thinks we should become a STEM student machine, we should do that.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:30 pm to Scruffy
Ok we're not gonna find common ground hear. Lets go back to misspelling weirds.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:31 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Well that is the plan for anyone going to college. Become more educated as your progress. A probationary period could be allowed to regain the assistance, but if someone does not re-enroll or re-gain the proper criteria, they absolutely should have to pay back the money they received.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:32 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
What if students with 20-25 are given a secondary option of 75-100% tiering (depending on HS GPA) in pursuit of a degree or certificate from a state owned community college or trade school program?
La needs a more skilled workforce, not just college graduates to bring better opportunities to the state in the form of new or expanding businesses.
La needs a more skilled workforce, not just college graduates to bring better opportunities to the state in the form of new or expanding businesses.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:34 pm to therick711
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If the state thinks we should become a STEM student machine, we should do that.
Between LSU, LaTech, and ULL the infrastructure is there. Not to diminish or admonish other schools in the system, but these are nationally and even globally acknowledged universities in the state with excellent STEM programs.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:34 pm to AwesomeSauce
The program already allows for usage at trade schools and community colleges. It is criminally underused. Mostly because the folks that utilize those programs, generally speaking, don't qualify for that tier of TOPS program (which has different and lower standards if I remember correctly).
TOPS TECH AWARD
TOPS TECH AWARD
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 4:37 pm
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