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re: Visited the Angola Rodeo and Craft fair and was amazed what I saw. Can good come from bad?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:52 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:52 am to WaWaWeeWa
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No one should be paying 100% of the bill to have these people locked up.
We also lock too many people up. Not saying Angola is the case for this but in general
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Like I said, they are very useful. The are sustaining their own incarceration. I think that should be the model for every prison.
Agree. Having purpose is essential in helping rehabilitate people, even if they are gonna die there
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:54 am to FelicianaTigerfan
Are you suggesting she was in the bathroom with this inmate voluntarily?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:55 am to fr33manator
I’d also like to comment on your idea that “all men are capable of this” idea
That’s a gross misrepresentation.
Are MOST men capable of killing under the right circumstances (war, famine, etc. ).... maybe. Mostly when it’s a matter of life or death survival and they feel they have no choice.
Are MOST men capable of committing the heinous acts some of those men have committed? In cold blood.
HELL. FRICKING. NO.
Your mischaracterization of those two scenarios is what is most disturbing.
That’s a gross misrepresentation.
Are MOST men capable of killing under the right circumstances (war, famine, etc. ).... maybe. Mostly when it’s a matter of life or death survival and they feel they have no choice.
Are MOST men capable of committing the heinous acts some of those men have committed? In cold blood.
HELL. FRICKING. NO.
Your mischaracterization of those two scenarios is what is most disturbing.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:56 am to fr33manator
Consequences to every choice.
I have to live with my choices good or bad. Some negative results came from heat of the moment. It never required the law to be involved but forever changed the course of my life.
That’s how life works and yes, it’s often tragic to watch it happen to good people, but that is how it all works.
I have to live with my choices good or bad. Some negative results came from heat of the moment. It never required the law to be involved but forever changed the course of my life.
That’s how life works and yes, it’s often tragic to watch it happen to good people, but that is how it all works.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:06 am to fr33manator
Yeah. My old psychology professor is also a pastor that visits Angola and talks to the inmates one on one (presumably with a guard) frequently. He says talking to someone that knows they’re stuck there till they die is one of the most humbling experiences.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:07 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Are MOST men capable of killing under the right circumstances (war, famine, etc. ).... maybe. Mostly when it’s a matter of life or death survival and they feel they have no choice.
Are MOST men capable of committing the heinous acts some of those men have committed? In cold blood
Read some of the stories about about the Soviet push back into Germany. Or the German advance into Russia. Or Nanking. Hell, Vietnam even. Innumerable sacks throughout history.
In the right conditions, even good men are capable of terrible things. Bloodlust.
Look at that experiment where they made one group of college kids the guards and one group the prisoners and how quickly they got out of hand.
I don’t think most people understand what they are capable of when pushed past the breaking point, that’s what i’m Saying.
Not that all men would kill someone over a pair of sneakers.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:07 am to Spankum
quote:Talent doesn't mean a thing. Take them out of the structure of Angola and place them back in the free world where they have to make the structure and decisions for themselves and most will fall back to their old ways. Most of those people are not one time screw ups. Most have committed many crimes for which they were not caught. What the public knows about is only the tip of the iceberg.
my impression of it all was exactly the same...prisons always strike me as one hell of a waste of humanity. the talent that those guys in angola posses is really
Don't be easily swayed by trinkets and a friendly interaction.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:20 am to FelicianaTigerfan
Well...turns out I got a murder boat
Still not sure how to feel about it
Still not sure how to feel about it
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 10:21 am
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:28 am to fr33manator
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my impression of it all was exactly the same...prisons always strike me as one hell of a waste of humanity. the talent that those guys in angola posses is really unbelieveable....and few of them will ever see freedom again.
They should've thought about that before they went retarded.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:37 am to fr33manator
How much did you spend on all that?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:43 am to El Es Shu
Funny how things work out...but.
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:48 am to fr33manator
Do you think they were all woodworkers that got popped?
They just make shite to pass the time. Some get good at it. No one is there by accident. If you have the gene to take from, or hurt others by your actions no amount of shop class takes that away. Changed my arse.
They just make shite to pass the time. Some get good at it. No one is there by accident. If you have the gene to take from, or hurt others by your actions no amount of shop class takes that away. Changed my arse.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:50 am to PrivatePublic
Actually they have jobs too. They work in the evenings or weekends. It’s not easy getting that privilege. They have to stay out of trouble which isn’t easy. They wait years to get the chance to start building.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:56 am to GeauxtigersMs36
quote:it is actually very easy.
They have to stay out of trouble which isn’t easy.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:58 am to SmoothOperator96
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Yeah. My old psychology professor is also a pastor that visits Angola and talks to the inmates one on one (presumably with a guard) frequently. He says talking to someone that knows they’re stuck there till they die is one of the most humbling experiences.
I've never had anyone else in the room with me when I met with a client at Angola. It would surprise me to hear that pastors are hovered over by guards.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:59 am to Joshjrn
That’s why I said presumably. He never mentioned it I was just kind of assuming.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:00 am to fr33manator
Top quality post mate
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:03 am to SmoothOperator96
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That’s why I said presumably. He never mentioned it I was just kind of assuming.
I wasn't picking on you, just offering some insider info
It's a common misconception due to TV/movies where meetings happen in large communal rooms with guards prowling along the walls. The reality is that inmate meetings generally happen in tiny little rooms with a small table and a couple of chairs and no one else on the other side of the door, much less in the room with you.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:16 am to tigerfoot
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o you think they were all woodworkers that got popped?
Of course not. I think the vast majority of them didn’t have any real skills when they went in.
That’s what impressed me at first.
Now that I think about it they have nothing to do but learn. If you do something every day I would hope you’d get good at it.they are still nice pieces but i’m Not as enamoured with the whole thing as I once was. Plenty of craftsman can make those things...I just don’t see them because I don’t go to craft shows.
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If you have the gene to take from, or hurt others by your actions no amount of shop class takes that away. Changed my arse.
Gonna disagree with you there. It isn’t a gene. It’s circumstance. It’s environment. Upbringing. Moral compass.
And all of those can change with the right conditions
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:27 am to fr33manator
Ok. So you are “rehabilitated”. What happens when you lose a job, get a divorce, or life throws you another set of tough circumstances. Do you get to go rob or rose someone?
I don’t like my safety or security depending on a rehabbed criminal never facing tough times again. No different than a dog that bites. They will do it again if the opportunity presents itself.
I don’t like my safety or security depending on a rehabbed criminal never facing tough times again. No different than a dog that bites. They will do it again if the opportunity presents itself.
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