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re: Visited the Angola Rodeo and Craft fair and was amazed what I saw. Can good come from bad?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:22 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:22 am to WaWaWeeWa
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What do you think the punishment should be for violently ending a innocent person’s life? Most of the time for a meaningless reason
But if we aren’t going to do that...well then maybe we should work harder on trying to rehabilitate them.
Hell Maybe a penal colony even.
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:22 am to tgrbaitn08
That article is a shite piece. I don’t have authority to comment further but it terrible what the media can put out there and label it as coming from a “source”
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:23 am to fr33manator
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Hell Maybe a penal colony even.
hell yeah, look at how Australia turned out !
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:25 am to fr33manator
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So it’s not that they were, for the most part , innately unsalvagable. It’s that their potential to be a productive member of society was untapped and without purpose, they fell into the violent tendencies of the beast within. And if these men who made terrible choices can be rehabilitated and find use, then Many of those whose future is heading for the same place could be similarly, preemptively rehabilitated.
What did you see that demonstrated rehabilitation or an ability to contribute to society?
Are we really talking about woodwork here? Because someone locked in a cell 22 hours a day can hand carve a bowl you think they can be productive members of society?
I’m not arguing that prisoners can’t be rehabilitated. I just think you have a long way to go to prove that’s the case. And I don’t think proficiency in woodwork is a good argument.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:27 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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That article is a shite piece. I don’t have authority to comment further but it terrible what the media can put out there and label it as coming from a “source”
There are several other articles on this incident.
Please link one that is accurate since you seem to have some inside info.
Where you in the bathroom with them?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:27 am to fr33manator
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Hell Maybe a penal colony even.
Angola is the closest thing to that in this country.
It’s almost completely self sustaining. It’s their own little island.
IMO they are being productive members of society by sustaining their own incarceration
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:28 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Another thing I’d like to bring up. The inmates you saw were a very small percentage of what’s in there. Of the maybe 200 you saw, there are 5,800 more that haven’t earned the reward of being able to do hobby craft or sell their items. Some have and their behavior cost them the chance.
Most inmates grew up with no structure. When put in an environment where there is daily routines and rules they possibly can be productive and tap into the hidden talents they have.
While a small percentage are making the most out of their opportunities, the percentage of them, if given freedom, that could stay on the right track if released are even smaller.
They have inmate crews of electricians, plummers, heavy equipment operators, farmers, carpenters, masons, etc that keep that place running. Doesn’t mean they are fit to be productive members of society and have completely paid their debts for their crimes.
Okay this is a very interesting perspective.
So most of the inmates there really are scum of the earth pieces of shite...and the ones we see at the craft fair are those who have cleaned up their act? But a small percentage?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:33 am to fr33manator
I’ve been to the fall rodeo several times and always enjoyed it. I’ve also done work in Angola several times over the last 40 years the last being about 10 years ago. Once I had no one available so I went to meet an 18 wheeler loaded with lumber. Thy set it in a parking lot because no one had the gate key to put it inside the site.
A guard told me “better get it behind the fence as soon as you can or it will be a bunch of rocking chairs” Two days later when they moved it we were short 30 sheets of 3/4” finish plywood. That was my donation to the convicts fund.
And if you get a chance go play golf on the nice 9 hole course and get a great hamburger at the clubhouse for a dollar. Made with prison raised grass fed beef.
A guard told me “better get it behind the fence as soon as you can or it will be a bunch of rocking chairs” Two days later when they moved it we were short 30 sheets of 3/4” finish plywood. That was my donation to the convicts fund.
And if you get a chance go play golf on the nice 9 hole course and get a great hamburger at the clubhouse for a dollar. Made with prison raised grass fed beef.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:33 am to tgrbaitn08
I know how many articles there are on it. Don’t you find it funny that all coverage of this just went away? Even the “amazing” Chis Nakamoto just walked away. Because when the truth was presented and the news got their hands on all the reports and documents it was no longer a story.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:34 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Are we really talking about woodwork here?
Not really. It’s the fact that they’ve learned a craft and someone trusts them enough to be unfettered with people and families all around.
It’s about the usefulness of people who have been thrown away and apparently are trying to be better people.
I don’t know anymore. I may be comepletely wrong
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:36 am to fr33manator
They already have a system to let model prisoners go even if they are serving life sentences.
Look up shelby arabie.
Look up shelby arabie.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:42 am to fr33manator
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the ones we see at the craft fair are those who have cleaned up their act? But a small percentage?
Correct. Camp F, which is the trustee camp has most of your best behaved, old times. Those are the ones seen interacting the most.
Angola houses inmates that are classified for DOC purposes as needing to be in maximum security facilities. While housed there, they can still obtain maximum security, trustee status. Some of the ones behind the fence are medium security within maximum. If that makes sense
Majority of these inmates also have jobs they perform daily. Kitchen workers, orderlies, laundry, field work, etc. When they get off work they can go to the hobby craft building and work in their pieces in their free time. These inmates live in dorms. Disciplinary infractions can cost them their ability to take part in it
Less than 10 years in at Angola as an inmate and you’re still considered “new”.
If you have the inmates name that you bought from, a google search should tell you his history in the free world
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 9:46 am
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:43 am to diat150
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shelby arabie.
Sheik's daughter?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:43 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Don’t you find it funny that all coverage of this just went away? Even the “amazing” Chis Nakamoto just walked away. Because when the truth was presented and the news got their hands on all the reports and documents it was no longer a story.
Yeah,I agree sounds like a massive cover up.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:46 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Correct. Camp F, which is the trustee camp has most of your best behaved, old times. Those are the ones seen interacting the most.
Okay, this makes a lot more sense. I didn’t really see a bunch of young hoodlum types. They all seemed like dudes you’d see at a barbecue.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:47 am to fr33manator
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They all seemed like dudes you’d see at a barbecue.
there's a reason the term "con man" was coined
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:50 am to tgrbaitn08
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Yeah,I agree sounds like a massive cover up
And not one person was willing to fight on the behalf of this 13 yr old girl? C’mon man. Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:50 am to fr33manator
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They all seemed like dudes you’d see at a barbecue
I don’t know why but this made me
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 9:51 am
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:51 am to fr33manator
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It’s about the usefulness of people who have been thrown away and apparently are trying to be better people.
Like I said, they are very useful. The are sustaining their own incarceration. I think that should be the model for every prison.
No one should be paying 100% of the bill to have these people locked up.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:52 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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And not one person was willing to fight on the behalf of this 13 yr old girl? C’mon man.
almost sounds like she was "offered up" to the guy and it was pre-arranged, maybe as a payback or to avert a threat being carried out?
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