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re: Vaccinated easily spreading Delta with troubling high viral loads...
Posted on 8/21/21 at 8:49 am to Kato
Posted on 8/21/21 at 8:49 am to Kato
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Fear is their number 1 reason not to get it and it’s largely based on misinformation.
Can you be more specific about what you consider to be “misinformation?”
Because pretty much anyone that I have met that refuses the vaccine is either afraid of the unknown “long term effects,” or government overreach.
At this point, I would argue that their fear isn’t based on misinformation.
The long term effects are unknown, anybody saying anything different is entitled to their opinion, but their opinion is based on speculation. While the vaccines don’t look likely to be an issue long term, there is simply no way to know that at this point. As such, if fear is the issue, and it’s based on long term effects, then their fear does have some merit...even if I disagree with their view.
The other fear may be rooted in a healthy mistrust of the government. The WHO, CDC, NIH and La. Department of Health have been promoting lies and misinformation from the start.
I’m not anti-vax, but I am 100% anti-mandate, and the subsequent “passports” that are likely to follow.
Just my.02.
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 8:54 am to jimmy the leg
How is “long term effects” defined?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 8:57 am to Strannix
wait, so they have the same viral load as the unvaccinated? But they are generally unaffected by the virus? If only there were something to protect the unvaccinated
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:00 am to Joshjrn
quote:Amen.
Because people are very, very stupid.
If there is one takeaway from the entire COVID debate it is this.
Regardless of one’s personal take on what should be their appropriate course of action, there are tens of millions of fellow Americans who think them an idiot for doing so.
Many of the masses are truly asses.
Me? I’m smart and, more importantly WISE (note the difference) and personally know some smart and wise folks who are specifically trained to understand epidemiology, so the answer for me and mine is clear.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:00 am to Strannix
The good news is the number of idiots starting threads like this is decreasing by the day.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:01 am to tigerinthebueche
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But I am suggesting that the common practice of sending people home without any of the treatments that seem to help ( like Regeneron) needs to be re-examined. Maybe- just maybe- if they treated the symptoms more aggressively early on, the disease wouldn’t progress to the point it requires hospitalization and hospitals wouldn’t be “overwhelmed”. But they are so focused on the vaccines, they aren’t doing that.
Mississippi issued a statewide standing order so eligible COVID-19 patients can receive monoclonal antibody treatment without seeing a doctor first.
The clinic will only administer the treatments to people who are COVID-19 positive with mild to moderate symptoms and who meet specific criteria. MS has monoclonal antibody treatments centers at about 40 locations in the state.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:01 am to Strannix
The vaccine is only helpful at reducing hospitalization and death. We already knew this.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:02 am to Strannix
Luckily there is a vaccine which helps prevent hospitalization and death
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:04 am to Misnomer
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The vaccine is only helpful at reducing hospitalization and death. We already knew this.
It also reduces the chance of catching covid
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:04 am to josh336
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How is “long term effects” defined?
It is subjective. That is why it is up to the individual if they are using that barometer to form their opinion on the safety of the vaccines. In short, if that is the basis for their fear, then their fear (even if seemingly irrational) has merit imho. I personally don’t feel that the time frame is acceptable. I would feel better after year 4. The mantra that these vaccines have been studied for decades just doesn’t pass the smell test. Aspects of them, sure, but these vaccines did not exist in their current construct 3 years ago, never mind 30. Cobbling together individual effects and proposing safety based of that theory is typically fine imho, but it also is not definitive.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:06 am to Strannix
It’s amazing to me how much people with natural immunity are being flat out ignored.
I had it a year ago. 6 weeks ago I was unknowingly exposed. I’m talking about big time, sharing an ice chest, golf cart, riding in car, hotel room. He got his first symptom the day after we parted ways, I’ve had nothing. I’ll take my chances considering what I’ve been exposed to.
I had it a year ago. 6 weeks ago I was unknowingly exposed. I’m talking about big time, sharing an ice chest, golf cart, riding in car, hotel room. He got his first symptom the day after we parted ways, I’ve had nothing. I’ll take my chances considering what I’ve been exposed to.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:06 am to Misnomer
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The vaccine is only helpful at reducing hospitalization and death.
It also reduces risk of infection four-fold, but keep doing you.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:07 am to LSU316
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I'm vaxxed and I've lived a normal life ever since. I refuse to wear a mask or not do anything that I did do normally prior to March 2020. As I said before there are choices that people can make to protect themselves if they choose not to make them I really don't care if I spread it to them.
Exactly. What purpose does getting the vaccine serve if you don’t trust it will work?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:07 am to jimmy the leg
My comment on misinformation is based on patient voiced concerns, all of which I hear daily and are incorrect (e.g. the lack of FDA approval means untested, or the possibility of altering your DNA, or you don’t need to get the vaccine if you had COVID).
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:07 am to JudgeHolden
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You might be missing the part where the vaccinated don’t die.
Not at all. What’s missing is the mainstream reports on vaccinated deaths. They leave it to the public to extrapolate the data, and hope they aren’t willing or able, because there’s this:
An article from Heritage in August cited a figure of 1,507 fatal cases of breakthrough infection in line with the New York Times data. This too was cited; “164 million Americans were fully vaccinated against COVID-19, with 191 million people having acquired partial immunity through at least one dose.” Seems like you just have to bet on being statistically safe.
An August article on CNBC reported:
“NBC News has found that at least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1,400 of those have died. Still, the 125,682 “breakthrough” cases in 38 states found by NBC News represented less than 0.08% of the 164.2 million-plus people (and counting) who have been fully vaccinated since the start of the year, or about one in every 1,300.”
Based on the reported numbers, 1 in 89.29 fully vaccinated Americans who have tested positive for COVID have died.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 9:59 am
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:07 am to jamiegla1
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wait, so they have the same viral load as the unvaccinated? But they are generally unaffected by the virus?
No, they are symptomatic, but the symptoms are less severe.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:08 am to lsuhunt555
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It’s amazing to me how much people with natural immunity are being flat out ignored.
This. I’ve also been infected and exposed since and have not gotten it again. So why do I have to get the experimental vaccine? Also, if the vaccine could make you an asymptomatic spreader, wouldn’t you NOT want to be vaccinated for the sake of your young kids (if you have them)?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:14 am to Jaydeaux
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Why is something so awesome requiring so much peer pressure and monetary incentive?
Because 25% of the country decided to dig their heels in and be idiotically stubborn when their dear leader was trounced in the latest presidential election.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 9:15 am
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:15 am to HammerJackFlash
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Based on the reported numbers, 1 in 89.29 fully vaccinated Americans have died from COVID.
I think someone would have noticed over 1.8 million people dead. Recheck your math. YOu are not converting the article correctly.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 9:18 am
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