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Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:10 am to fightin tigers
We are but it's by our management temporarily. The other cat that made that statement was being a douche and saying that we should be fired or not let back in for good.
They need to sign that fricking contract already!
the facility I work at is already abiding by all topics that are requested by the Union for the companies to implement.
They need to sign that fricking contract already!
the facility I work at is already abiding by all topics that are requested by the Union for the companies to implement. 
Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:13 am to MeatHammer09
So, why do you think unions are good if they are the reason you aren't getting a paycheck?
Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:18 am to MeatHammer09
You chose the risk when you decided to work for a union facility.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:29 am to Janky
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So, why do you think unions are good if they are the reason you aren't getting a paycheck?
All the money in the world doesn't matter if you are dead.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:33 am to LSUPhreaK
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You chose the risk when you decided to work for a union facility.
Yep. Just like people in O&G. Gotta be prepared for a downturn.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:38 am to LSUPhreaK
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You chose the risk when you decided to work for a union facility.
Yep. Good comes with the bad. Hopefully those on strike have a backup plan in place to hold them for a few weeks.
Sucks that they couldn't wait until next weekend to strike so they could carry the insurance for another month.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:39 am to fightin tigers
Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:47 am to Janky
I wonder if Leo Gerard, President of the USW, has suspended his pay while his sheep are getting slaughtered. $217k per year to be a shepherd !
Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:50 am to MeatHammer09
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We have families and bills just like everyone else.
Your union leaders must have informed you that the strike was possible and to start saving money. Your union leadership is still "working" - go ask for more than the usual strike pay and see how much they really care. Why would union leadership supposedly concerned with safety put the lives of expecting wives and unborn children at risk?
You should know that a strike is a possibility every time a contract is up for renewal. It's not a surprise.
Are these safety concerns about fatigue not covered by OSHA? I honestly don't know but if not, union leaders should be lobbying OSHA to update their regs to really put some enforceability behind them.
What about the safety of management employees and skeleton crews who are still at the facilities?
The bottom line is that the union workers have put themselves in this position. Go get some part time work during the strike if the union will allow you to do that instead of having to walk the picket line. Better yet, get a different job that doesn't put you at risk of a prolonged strike every 3 or 4 years.
Life's about choices and consequences of those decisions. I wish you and your family the best and hope everything works out for y'all in the end but don't complain about the situation in which you find yourself - you are there by your own choice.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 8:07 am to BobABooey
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Your union leaders must have informed you that the strike was possible and to start saving money. Your union leadership is still "working" - go ask for more than the usual strike pay and see how much they really care. Why would union leadership supposedly concerned with safety put the lives of expecting wives and unborn children at risk?
You should know that a strike is a possibility every time a contract is up for renewal. It's not a surprise.
Are these safety concerns about fatigue not covered by OSHA? I honestly don't know but if not, union leaders should be lobbying OSHA to update their regs to really put some enforceability behind them.
What about the safety of management employees and skeleton crews who are still at the facilities?
The bottom line is that the union workers have put themselves in this position. Go get some part time work during the strike if the union will allow you to do that instead of having to walk the picket line. Better yet, get a different job that doesn't put you at risk of a prolonged strike every 3 or 4 years.
Life's about choices and consequences of those decisions. I wish you and your family the best and hope everything works out for y'all in the end but don't complain about the situation in which you find yourself - you are there by your own choice.
all of this ^^^^
And frick a union
Some fricking asshat telling me that I cannot go to work, that is just bizarre and would cause me a lot of anger.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 8:15 am to BobABooey
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Your union leaders must have informed you that the strike was possible and to start saving money. Your union leadership is still "working" - go ask for more than the usual strike pay and see how much they really care. Why would union leadership supposedly concerned with safety put the lives of expecting wives and unborn children at risk?
You should know that a strike is a possibility every time a contract is up for renewal. It's not a surprise.
Are these safety concerns about fatigue not covered by OSHA? I honestly don't know but if not, union leaders should be lobbying OSHA to update their regs to really put some enforceability behind them.
What about the safety of management employees and skeleton crews who are still at the facilities?
The bottom line is that the union workers have put themselves in this position. Go get some part time work during the strike if the union will allow you to do that instead of having to walk the picket line. Better yet, get a different job that doesn't put you at risk of a prolonged strike every 3 or 4 years.
Life's about choices and consequences of those decisions. I wish you and your family the best and hope everything works out for y'all in the end but don't complain about the situation in which you find yourself - you are there by your own choice.
This is well said. People are smart enough today to understand the risks they take when getting a job. We don't need unions. If it's dangerous enough, someone won't so it without an increase in pay, which will be done on it's own (free enterprise and all) and doesn't require a union.
The only one that wins in a Union....are the bosses who profit crazy cash....FROM their peoples paychecks......what a good system.....
Posted on 2/21/15 at 8:18 am to IT_Dawg
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The only one that wins in a Union....are the bosses who profit crazy cash....FROM their peoples paychecks......what a good system.....
And the democrat election coffers
Posted on 2/21/15 at 8:39 am to IT_Dawg
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This is well said. People are smart enough today to understand the risks they take when getting a job. We don't need unions. If it's dangerous enough, someone won't so it without an increase in pay, which will be done on it's own (free enterprise and all) and doesn't require a union.
Although this is generally true on a small scale and in relatively non hazardous environments, in plants, going against the oil giants...sometimes the union is necessary. I'm in no way pro-Union, but I certainly understand why they still exist and the draw in this environment. The employment organizations will certainly bond together in the name of competition (ie make changes to be competitive). Sometimes that may be at the expense of the collective worker. They will certainly not allow workers to get injured, due to the costs and OSHA, but they are a lot of other things the union provides. Keep in mind that you may be held personally responsible for environmental damages and injuries. When you are controlling hazardous substances, some level of defense and protection from this personal prosecution is very worthwhile.
The employers can pay enough to find someone willing to do a job, regardless of the hazard. However, that's not necessarily the best option for the collective well-being of everyone.
I believe there's a place, but you can't try to throw your weight around (either side), especially under the guise of "safety".
Posted on 2/21/15 at 8:41 am to Teauxler
Damn. That's a really low salary for a president
Posted on 2/21/15 at 8:54 am to BobABooey
Yeah, that's the way they would go if they were worried about safety. The "enforceable" thing they want is a paid union position(s) to ensure the safety.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 9:02 am to LSUtigerME
Why do the plants need unions and not the guys who work offshore, in the shops, land rigs, etc? The only reason they exist is so that someone can get an easy paycheck (Union bosses) off the backs of others.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 9:15 am to fishfighter
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It's called a right to work. Thanks to Eddy that screwed the Unions here in Louisiana.
Thank God for this. Unions nearly killed Detroit. Glad they don't weild that power here
Posted on 2/21/15 at 9:32 am to SmellslikeKevinBacon
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I know if Convent or Norco goes on strike no one can cross the picket line. They do not allow contractors not even associated with operations to go to work. So this affects everyone that is not staff personnel that works at these two locations. Personally i think it is pretty crappy that I can't go to work while the union tries to get more money for these operators. They stop everyone from making money so they can hold the refinery up for a raise.
Get your head out of your arse dude! The union isn't trying to get a raise...the members get paid pretty well. It's about safety issues that the company wants to turn a blind eye to and keeping seniority should the site be sold.
My advice to you, get your facts straight before you make assinine comments. And don't let 'em see you trying to cross the line
Posted on 2/21/15 at 9:39 am to Lutcher Lad
Ha... Safety is only a "concern" because they can put that word to their advantage !
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