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re: USW strike...** POSSIBLE END IN SIGHT **
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:52 am to wickowick
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:52 am to wickowick
No not by any means! I was being sarcastic. So if you want me to be more realistic about pay IT, payroll mangers , grocery store managers, car salesman hell there is fast food managers who make the same as process operators .
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:54 am to Txgrl43
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I don't see people complaining about stock market traders, hedge fund managers, bankers, lawyers who make in the millions.
Those people have a much higher risk of failure and there are a lot more of those guys who aren't making millions. Their salary is also determined by their worth and market price. Operators' wages are artificial inflated by the union. Supply outweighs the demand. Every time an operator position opens up, there's over 20 times as many applicants as for other positions.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:03 am to LSUsuperfresh
What makes you think their wages are inflated?
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:06 am to Chuckd
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What makes you think their wages are inflated?
The demand for an open job spot...
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:09 am to wickowick
The demand is only there because of the wage. Take away the wage and no one would even consider being an operator.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:27 am to Txgrl43
Correct. Usually the company does not include any company hourly workers in contingency planning. Therefore to take over the plant the best way is to send everyone out (lock out). There is usually a process to get those who do not want to strike back in. The company has to be cautious of saboteurs and resistance that may attempt to derail operations or maintenence from the inside.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:29 am to Chuckd
The job pays extremely well for a job with little barrier to entry, and people are beating down the door every time a position opens up. If the position paid around $14-15 per hour I think you would see supply start to lower to the level of demand and achieve a stable market.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:30 am to Txgrl43
quote:So it takes 3 years to learn how to read a gauge and flip a valve? Typical union BS. Just sit there and fill out the daily form for 38 per hours and call a member of management when you have a real problem so you want have to get the foreman to save your job.
So what your saying is you are willing to pay $6.00 a gallon for up to 3yrs
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:31 am to Chuckd
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The demand is only there because of the wage. Take away the wage and no one would even consider being an operator.
So you admit there is currently a high demand for the job based on current pay, and the union is demanding a higher pay...
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:44 am to Crow Pie
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So it takes 3 years to learn how to read a gauge and flip a valve?
That is an extremely ignorant statement, and diminishes your credibility.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 9:45 am
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:48 am to LSUsuperfresh
I think if it paid fifteen dollars an hour they would struggle to find employees. And the ones that were willing to work that type of job for fifteen dollars an hour are not the ones you would want running a chemical plant or refinery, especially if you lived anywhere near it.
And to the remark about reading a gauge and turning a valve, if you are ignorant enough to believe it's that simple, then you dont deserve to be dignified with a response.
And to the remark about reading a gauge and turning a valve, if you are ignorant enough to believe it's that simple, then you dont deserve to be dignified with a response.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:50 am to wickowick
Yes, there is a high demand for the job. But there is also a high demand for competent operators. A ptec doesn't equal competent operator. And this strike is about more than money.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:52 am to Chuckd
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I think if it paid fifteen dollars an hour they would struggle to find employees.
That isn't being discussed as a wage. What is the current wage being paid at other non-union plants in the area?
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:55 am to wickowick
It was mentioned a few posts up.
I don't know about that area, but in mine, there are non Union plants making more than the union plants. It wasn't like that a few years ago.
And for the record, I do believe a 6% raise is asking for a bit much.
I don't know about that area, but in mine, there are non Union plants making more than the union plants. It wasn't like that a few years ago.
And for the record, I do believe a 6% raise is asking for a bit much.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 9:57 am
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:01 am to Chuckd
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I do believe a 6% raise is asking for a bit much.
I've heard it's 6% annually for the next 3 years. Was the person mistaken who told me this?
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:03 am to Chuckd
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And the ones that were willing to work that type of job for fifteen dollars an hour are not the ones you would want running a chemical plant or refinery
This is probably true but a lot of people would argue that the companies should be able to decide this for themselves.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:09 am to Crow Pie
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So it takes 3 years to learn how to read a gauge and flip a valve? Typical union BS. Just sit there and fill out the daily form for 38 per hours and call a member of management when you have a real problem so you want have to get the foreman to save your job.
You obviously have no clue about what an operators job actually is.I have no dog in this union fight. I do however know that an operators job is more complex than what you implied.It takes years of experience to operate a process unit safely and effeciently.Anbody can do it when its just clicking along.Its when its not that you want that experience and knowhow.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:09 am to LSUsuperfresh
That is accurate. Along with $7,500 sign on bonus.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:16 am to LSUsuperfresh
I agree. I'm not a huge supporter of unions. But let's be honest, the corporations aren't exactly innocent angels being picked on by the big bad unions. I've seen the pros and cons of unions. Sometimes I'm not sure where I stand on them.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 11:25 am to Crow Pie
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So it takes 3 years to learn how to read a gauge and turn a valve? Typical union BS. Just sit there and fill out the daily form for 38 per hours and call a member of management when you have a real problem so you won't have to get the foreman to save your job.
The shame isn't just what you posted but there is more than one of you who believe this foolishness.
There, I fixed it for you. Made you a little smarter now.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 11:30 am
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