Txgrl43

No not by any means! I was being sarcastic. So if you want me to be more realistic about pay IT, payroll mangers , grocery store managers, car salesman hell there is fast food managers who make the same as process operators .

It is the same here. But remember a " lock out " is the company locks out union a "walk out- strike" the union goes out on their own. But anyone in the hourly position would go out.

So what your saying is you are willing to pay $6.00 a gallon for up to 3yrs? Doubtful .. First you have to get the trainees who have the 2 yr degree then it takes on average 2 months for site training then another 6 months just to train on the unit the operator was chosen for before the operator can work by themselves with out help. The trainee still at this point will not understand the complexity of their unit because the operator has only been trained on 1 job. Each unit can have up to 5-6 jobs or as little as 2. So if you do the math 1 new operator to train on all jobs can can be as low as 1 yr 8 months or as high as 3 yrs.and this is best case scenario there are jobs which can take up to a yr to learn.

The post was showing rates which have to do with pay before taxes .

Do you wake up everday to critique people here or just me?If you have any input or a current refinery employee please stick to the topics . If not return to the hole you came out of.

Not giddy by any means. I want everyone back to work as quickly as possible , but I understand what they are fighting for. The news keeps showing "double wages" the total is 6% of total the first year would be for a operator let's say at $38 hr before taxes on 80 hrs $6080 a month $72960 a yr. the 6% for the increase would be $4,377.60 comes out to $364.80 a month for a total of $77337.60 (all the rates before taxes). Now anyone who has a family and is paying high deductibles and taxes would come home with maybe $65-68 this on the high side. Does anyone see the union getting this amount "No" maybe 2.5%. But remember if the union is able to get raises and changes to fatigue this also affects non-union employees as well. As far as the President comment " he is in no way my President" never has been and damn sure did not vote for him.

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Only union crossing is the building trades union not USW the 2 are separate unions read the link.

Your right! Worse case is 4 days best case 3 if runnin DuPont schedule no one is to the point of losing a check. Time stopped midnight 1201 feb 1 depending on location the union workers will be getting paid feb 6 or 13. Now the end of the month check is what will hit them with nothing if they do not return by Monday . But remember this is national contract currently fighting ,there is still the local issues which are on hold and no one is meeting. The union members on strike can stay out if the local issues have not been resolved .

It depends USW decides which locations go out National negoations is for everyone at every location it sets the standard . Local contracts are on hold till National decides if they will accept. Chevron , Marathon , Exxon, BP, Shell all have other locations which will be coming up March 1 for contract negoations. You can have a accepted national contract and still have a strike on a local contract.

It is only a matter of time this facility will go union because of the wages and Benifits given to the union workers and I am not talking about insurance.