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re: USC football kicker expelled after Title IX case - victim says he is innocent
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:18 pm to GEAUXT
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:18 pm to GEAUXT
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she's a tad thicker from straight on
I'd still let her have a first class ticket on the train to poundtown, but I don't want USC to accuse me of rape and ruin my life.
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:22 pm to KosmoCramer
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No. The witnesses would be required to waive their rights. The accusedoat likely doesn't even know who the witnesses are or what they testified to. That's why this whole thing is literally a kangaroo court where the burden of proof is merely a preponderance of the evidence.
I'm no fan of Title IX, but each situation should be judged on its own merits. If the girlfriend denies it was abuse, the kicker denies it, they're both athletes, and he's still kicked out of school, I'm inclined to believe there is more to the story.
Could be a complete witch hunt, but who knows. USC reinstated Dixon a few years ago after he won his Title IX appeal, so it's entirely possible.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:23 pm to ReauxlTide222
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You're about to get owned
ETA: Too late.
oh no !!!
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:26 pm to slackster
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Could be a complete witch hunt, but who knows. USC reinstated Dixon a few years ago after he won his Title IX appeal, so it's entirely possible.
That's a shitty consolation prize for someone who's reputation has been dragged through the mud for an extended period of time.
"Sorry we kicked you off the team because someone accused you of something that was unsubstantiated then proven to be untrue despite the fact that we tried super hard to stack the deck against you and make sure you were guilty. No hard feelings, right?"
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:28 pm to GEAUXT
quote:I bet it's nice and snug between those thighs. IWHI
she's a tad thicker from straight on
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:29 pm to upgrayedd
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"Sorry we kicked you off the team because someone accused you of something that was unsubstantiated then proven to be untrue despite the fact that we tried super hard to stack the deck against you and make sure you were guilty. No hard feelings, right?"
Pretty sure it's all good if the appropriate, intricately choreographed dap is proffered/executed by the offending party.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:31 pm to MorbidTheClown
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he' a kicker.. who else is he gonna rough up?
But he's a kicker on the football team. He could probably still handle anyone on the soccer team.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:31 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:32 pm to Boudreaux35
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He could probably still handle anyone on the soccer team
they would just fall over when he looked at them.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:32 pm to KosmoCramer
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That's why this whole thing is literally a kangaroo court where the burden of proof is merely a preponderance of the evidence.
With some of the examples in recent years, I wouldn't even go as far as saying a preponderance of evidence is even needed. Just a suspicion that something happened.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:35 pm to slackster
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I'm no fan of Title IX, but each situation should be judged on its own merits
That's fine and dandy, but the accused isn't able to confront his/her accuser or even know what they testified to. And the burden of proof is only a preponderance of evidence (I more likely than not the allegations occured, 51% basically).
You have no ability to cross examine the witnesses, they can say whatever they want, you can't provide evidence contrary to what they testify to since you aren't privy to that testimony.
It's very sad.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:37 pm to KosmoCramer
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It's very sad.
Indeed.
Also, there are absolutely no repercussions for those that make even blatantly false accusations against someone, i.e. mattress girl.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:40 pm to upgrayedd
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That's a shitty consolation prize for someone who's reputation has been dragged through the mud for an extended period of time.
He can always file a lawsuit and get money like the guy who was accused by the mattress girl at Columbia.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:42 pm to upgrayedd
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That's a shitty consolation prize for someone who's reputation has been dragged through the mud for an extended period of time.
Yeah, of course. I've already acknowledged it has major flaws, but this is the first time I've ever heard the alleged victim hire an attorney to prove she wasn't abused.
The absurdity makes me think the evidence against him from other witnesses was pretty damning. I'd like to see for myself, but I doubt that happens.
None of this changes how shitty the Title IX system has become.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:42 pm to jbgleason
Some colleges take Title IX to extremes - I know of a case where the girl had sex with the guy in the "female on top" position, and then claimed it was non-consensual sex when her boyfriend found about it.
College decision - expulsion.
College decision - expulsion.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
lol
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:46 pm to Packer
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He can always file a lawsuit and get money like the guy who was accused by the mattress girl at Columbia.
Yeah, and that guy had to wait something like 3 or 4 years to get all that sorted out too. Meanwhile, he was treated as a pariah on campus and his accuser was encouraged by the faculty to publicly shame the guy through her "mattress project" despite the fact that she initiated and consented to all their sexual encounters. And the school did nothing to her.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:49 pm to slackster
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Yeah, of course. I've already acknowledged it has major flaws, but this is the first time I've ever heard the alleged victim hire an attorney to prove she wasn't abused.
That should go to show you just how fricked up that system is. You have to hire an attorney to prove you weren't abused because some random person hundreds of feet away might have misinterpreted you horsing around with your boyfriend.
These matters should be in the hands of local LE, not the goddamn school. If they want to base a decision on the evidence the police gather, then that's one thing, but suspending a guy because of one person's flimsy evidence is wrong.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:50 pm to slackster
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I'm no fan of Title IX, but each situation should be judged on its own merits. If the girlfriend denies it was abuse, the kicker denies it, they're both athletes, and he's still kicked out of school, I'm inclined to believe there is more to the story.
That's not the college's fricking job. It's insane to me anyone would defend these weird "tribunals" which are literally put in place to circumnavigate the court system.
Can we get some ADA's teaching college algebra if we're going to continue going down this path?
This post was edited on 8/2/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 8/2/17 at 2:52 pm to jbgleason
pfft
like a kicker could beat anybody up
john corbello, maybe... for heisman
like a kicker could beat anybody up
john corbello, maybe... for heisman
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