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re: USA Today: Girl with inoperable brain tumor healed by prayer. Doctor’s baffled
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:03 pm to Carolina_Girl
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:03 pm to Carolina_Girl
I know a woman whose 14 month old boy died. She was devastated but remained strong in her faith. Some time passed and she started ministering to parents who also lost children in infant or toddler age.
In the last decade, she helped many of those people deal with their grief and to follow Christ. In retrospect, she feels that that was Gods plan for her loss. She also feels that it was her child’s gain. She believes that God had a plan for the greater good and she was faithful and obedient to that plan even when it hurt so much to be so. Her suffering was tenfold other people’s gain.
Just a different perspective from someone who thinks that good did grow from their own loss.
In the last decade, she helped many of those people deal with their grief and to follow Christ. In retrospect, she feels that that was Gods plan for her loss. She also feels that it was her child’s gain. She believes that God had a plan for the greater good and she was faithful and obedient to that plan even when it hurt so much to be so. Her suffering was tenfold other people’s gain.
Just a different perspective from someone who thinks that good did grow from their own loss.
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:03 pm to Huey Lewis
Maybe God doesn’t want to heal amputatees because it already cost an arm and a leg?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:17 pm to Dick Leverage
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I believe you just hate your creator because he didn’t shape our world the way you think it should be. Nobody lashes out at something they don’t even believe in with as much venom as you just did unless they feel jilted. You just hate God. The shadow of darkness holds sway over your soul right now. Satan has convinced you that you are your own God and has separated you from your true creator. And he revels in that victory.
you go on believing that if it makes you feel better. I look at it as:
If i pray enough, god will save me. But, he gives free will to man, so I may get fricked over anyway. But, if I pray enough, and do enough shite that he wants me to do, I will have eternal salvation. But i may still get fricked in the meantime. So ultimately, I may get fricked either way, but if I've bowed down enough, he'll let me in.
I personally want no part of that god, because he is a douche at best and a self-absorbed holier than thou a-hole at best.
Some people need some bullshite feel good crap to make their lives worth living. I don't. frick him and his plan.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:17 pm to Tempratt
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One can view it from many angles. I like to think that God Guide’s people that are gifted into certain professions. I this case physicians, nurses, etc.
I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about this
Jimmy Swaggart bullshite. Pulling chicken guts out of people and saying it was cancer
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:22 pm to theunknownknight
How exactly did prayer heal her? Did people change God's mind? Did the prayer kill the cancer cells like radiation?
If you believe prayer works, tell me how.
If you believe prayer works, tell me how.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:29 pm to Dawgholio
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Then why prayer if that’s your attitude?
Prayer is a petition to your creator to meet a need, that you cannot. Everyone dies. But Christ clearly indicated that the purpose of healing was to instill faith. (see healing of the lepers, and Christ's incredulity at only 1 returning to attest to the miracle) Also:
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And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
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Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.
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And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up;
That is what is happening in this case. Many are reading this story, and rethinking their views. Obviously you are not.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:43 pm to 225bred
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We have free will on this Earth
And there it is...the cop out you people love to dole out.
My children died...free will. My wife was murdered...free will. Granny hit by a drunk driver...free will.
Praying in order to help you get through whatever it is you deem too hard to deal with on your accord is absolutely fine.
The part that's intriguing is what is it that you're actually praying for? Since "his plan" is already laid out and carved out, what's the point? Are you just praying for help? Are you praying for him to change it?
Also, how many religions are there in the world? The answer: A shite ton. A lot of them contradict each other so it's laughable to witness all you turds get all "but my Bible" when there are plenty of other religious books claiming to have the answers too... with shite just as ludicrous in it as the Catholic Bible.
I mean, when you think about it, it's pretty fricking ridiculous...the Christian belief. Some all-knowing, all-seeing, omnipotent being created everything and then way deep into time, he created Jesus (in his supposed image) because humans were shitty people. LOL. And all along this benevolent diety knew "his son" was going to die a most horrendous death. Then, once dead, hold it over the heads of the rest of humanity so they act right. Hahahahahaha.
So what were the dinosaurs? God's experiment? God's vacation time? What the frick was that?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:35 pm to GeorgeQGlass
There is a lot of ignorance and hatred in this thread.
1. Why does God “let” bad things happen?
The simple answer is because we live in a fallen world because of sin. When God created the world and all in it, he made it perfect and without death. But we sined against God. Our sin created a division between us and Him. So the world you see today and all the bad stuff in it is not God’s fault. It’s ours. We corrupted this world. Not him.
Why does God give some miracles and not others?
The simple answer, is nobody knows. The only way to know would require the ability to fathom the thinking of God, which we can’t. But having said that, you’ve got to understand what miracles are and what their purpose is. And you’ve got to understand faith. First miracles. Miracles are not “favors” handed out by God at a whim. Miracles have a set purpose. And that purpose is to glorify God and futher His kingdom. Miracles are not about us. None of this is about us. It’s all about Him, our Creator.
Then there is faith. Since we have been separated from God by our sin, the relationship God intended for humanity has been broken. We cannot come in his presence thanks to sin. The only way to have a relationship with him is to have faith in him. And faith by its nature is the hope for things unseen. If God granted miracles for everyone, then faith would become useless. Plus, that’s not even what miracles are for.
1. Why does God “let” bad things happen?
The simple answer is because we live in a fallen world because of sin. When God created the world and all in it, he made it perfect and without death. But we sined against God. Our sin created a division between us and Him. So the world you see today and all the bad stuff in it is not God’s fault. It’s ours. We corrupted this world. Not him.
Why does God give some miracles and not others?
The simple answer, is nobody knows. The only way to know would require the ability to fathom the thinking of God, which we can’t. But having said that, you’ve got to understand what miracles are and what their purpose is. And you’ve got to understand faith. First miracles. Miracles are not “favors” handed out by God at a whim. Miracles have a set purpose. And that purpose is to glorify God and futher His kingdom. Miracles are not about us. None of this is about us. It’s all about Him, our Creator.
Then there is faith. Since we have been separated from God by our sin, the relationship God intended for humanity has been broken. We cannot come in his presence thanks to sin. The only way to have a relationship with him is to have faith in him. And faith by its nature is the hope for things unseen. If God granted miracles for everyone, then faith would become useless. Plus, that’s not even what miracles are for.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:51 pm to Darth_Vader
Thanks father darth
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:07 pm to Darth_Vader
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The simple answer is because we live in a fallen world because of sin.
See, and I really, really, no bullshite, wanted to read your response because I'm genuinely curious.
But the above referenced, ...I just can't seem to even get beyond this very first part.
So, we live in this world because of sin. Let's back up though. Why? Why do we live in a world of sin? Is this the Adam and Eve story?
I just can't even get through your first point without my logic brain cells pinging all over the place. It immediately goes into many, many, many questions. Questions such as, if this being created everything, then he created sin. He created Lucifer. Then, being the fact that he was omnipotent, he knew full fricking well Lucifer would do whatever the frick he did to become the devil.
See, it's like the story of God making man is akin to nothing but games. That's all this is. We're supposed to have faith in something that we cannot comprehend but blindly believe it so that when your physical being stops, your soul goes to get door prizes for the rest of eternity.
Why not just reveal himself? Like, no bullshite, come down from whatever cloud or dimension he's chilling on and say, "hey, yeah. That's as all me. Yep, all me. Told y'all I was real." and then boom, that's it. Why all these fricking clownshow games? Just so he can test who has faith?
Seems like games.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:12 pm to Darth_Vader
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It’s all about Him, our Creator.
What? What the frick?
Why? Please try and explain to me why it's "all about him."
That just seems so pompous. Like exorbitantly pompous and fricking stupid.
So you have this all-powerful being that can do WHATEVER the frick he pleases (oh, but he has "rules") and he chooses to create a perfect world and "we" (who the frick is 'we', by the way?) frick it up? So now, he needs constant worshipping by these humans he created to glorify him for being so awesome???
See, I just can't behind some a-hole who is that pompous.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:13 pm to theunknownknight
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Jesus is tGOAT
Same shite happens for Buddhist, Muslims, Hindus, atheist, etc.
If Jesus was real and could walk down a children's ward in any hospital and not heal them all, he's a piece of shite.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:14 pm to theunknownknight
Helping hands are better than praying hands.
When you get down to it, there always is an answer, scientifically, for why something happened. Perhaps we don't know why now, but I do have faith, pun intended, that science will be able to figure it out one day.
Why are kids born with birth defects, while many are not? Why do some die in accidents, while others walk? Why do some get away with horrific crimes, while others get caught even doing the smallest of misdeeds?
I hate all bad things that happen to innocent people and it will be up to mankind to solve these as much as possible through research and studies. Progress has been made on debilitating diseases, etc. Cars are continuing to get safer. Crime solving has become better.
We still have a long way to go, but hopefully, even in a tragedy, at the very least, man can learn from it, and perhaps it will make it better in the long run, although it comforts no one who has been so unjustly affected by afflictions.
When you get down to it, there always is an answer, scientifically, for why something happened. Perhaps we don't know why now, but I do have faith, pun intended, that science will be able to figure it out one day.
Why are kids born with birth defects, while many are not? Why do some die in accidents, while others walk? Why do some get away with horrific crimes, while others get caught even doing the smallest of misdeeds?
I hate all bad things that happen to innocent people and it will be up to mankind to solve these as much as possible through research and studies. Progress has been made on debilitating diseases, etc. Cars are continuing to get safer. Crime solving has become better.
We still have a long way to go, but hopefully, even in a tragedy, at the very least, man can learn from it, and perhaps it will make it better in the long run, although it comforts no one who has been so unjustly affected by afflictions.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:15 pm to GeorgeQGlass
If you want it try to understand it all, I suggest two things.
1. Prayer, like real sincere and honest prayer seeking God and wisdom
2. Study the Bible
Do these things and you’ll understand Him. Until you do, it won’t make any sense to you. The Bible even talks about this.
1. Prayer, like real sincere and honest prayer seeking God and wisdom
2. Study the Bible
Do these things and you’ll understand Him. Until you do, it won’t make any sense to you. The Bible even talks about this.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:16 pm to Wtodd
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Jesus is tGOAT
Agree but not enough praise
Gets the credit for the unicorn one-off but skates on the multitudes who suffer unspeakable horrors. Nice work if you can get it.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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If you want it try to understand it all, I suggest two things.
1. Prayer, like real sincere and honest prayer seeking God and wisdom
2. Study the Bible
Been there, done that. It didn't "take."
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:42 pm to Darth_Vader
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So the world you see today and all the bad stuff in it is not God’s fault. It’s ours. We corrupted this world. Not him.
Yeah, blame the children. They ruin everything!
My life was perfect until my kids screwed everything up. It's not my fault. It's my children's fault. I'm not to blame. I raised them perfectly fine!
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:07 pm to Darth_Vader
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So the world you see today and all the bad stuff in it is not God’s fault. It’s ours. We corrupted this world. Not him
I ain’t done shite. only an unjust god would hold me accountable for the sins of people that aren’t me and/or the sins of people who came thousands of years before me.
Side track- this is like slavery reparations. Are you willing to pay black people out of your pocket because 200 years ago someone you may or may not be related to had slaves?
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:10 pm to GeorgeQGlass
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Why? Please try and explain to me why it's "all about him."
Because the church needs that 10% and we need people to die for causes without thinking it’s simply “lights out” at the end.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:14 pm to BrotherEsau
Moreover, God set us up to fail; in fact he set it up so there could be no other outcome but for us to fail. Yet somehow it's our fault.
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