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re: US wokeness v rest of the world

Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:24 am to
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
74980 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:24 am to
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From fashion to politics, we usually just follow Europe and are a decade behind or so
Europeans are pissed off because the USA exported the racial politics/wokeness after the “summer of love”.

That originated here, and like a virus, it spread.
Posted by Kolbysfan
Member since Jun 2007
2022 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:31 am to
So much truth here. I’d guess 95% of US residents have no idea how the world operates. I spent 4 years International.
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
11200 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:33 am to
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I was in Costa Rica for a week,


While i agree with you about the US problems, CR is not like the rest of the world. Its about as laid back as you can get. There is also a reason CR is the top destination for US Ex Patriots when moving away.
Posted by facher08
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
5114 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:36 am to
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the USA exported the racial politics/wokeness after the “summer of love”.

That originated here, and like a virus, it spread.



No, it didn't. This poster is correct.

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Cultural Marxism originated with the Frankfurt school.
We're a few generations in now. Did NOT originate in America.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
34760 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:50 am to
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One drunken Floridian woman tried to start crap in the bar by getting people’s opinion on George Floyd (screaming her own opinion at everyone) and it didn’t go over well and she got thrown out almost immediately.


Yeesh talk about pissing in everyone’s beer. Why is that relevant 3 years later? You’re on vacation lady, give it a rest and relax
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
137016 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:29 am to
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No, it didn't. This poster is correct.

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Cultural Marxism originated with the Frankfurt school.
We're a few generations in now. Did NOT originate in America.

This version of hyper-identity Marxism 100% originated in this country
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83504 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:33 am to
quote:

quote:
the USA exported the racial politics/wokeness after the “summer of love”.

That originated here, and like a virus, it spread.


No, it didn't. This poster is correct.

quote:
Cultural Marxism originated with the Frankfurt school.
We're a few generations in now. Did NOT originate in America.



The CRT/Trans studies/Fat studies/crip studies, etc. all originated here. This literature and these academics are the heart of the explosion of "wokeness."

If you want to trace it back to Derrida or Marcuse or further be my guest, but wokeness by any meaningful measure originated here, as did the term "woke" (in a political advocacy context at least).
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
137016 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:35 am to
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If you want to trace it back to Derrida or Marcuse or further be my guest, but wokeness by any meaningful measure originated here, as did the term "woke" (in a political advocacy context at least).

I don't know why people are refusing to acknowledge this
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83504 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:35 am to
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This version of hyper-identity Marxism 100% originated in this country



You're getting downvoted for something that is objectively true, because people read a few James Lindsey arguments where he tried to get them to understand the underpinnings of critical theory's rise in American academia.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55443 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:39 am to
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I don't know why people are refusing to acknowledge this



Ignorant morons who are doing their best to pretend marxism isn't being celebrated in this country, even though they really k now it is. They'd rather say, "that's not happening, y'all are overreacting" or "it's not really happening all over", meanwhile the slippery slope of progressivism is causing everyone's paychecks to shrink, and performance/output of general business in this country continues to slip because of marxist diversity hires.

These were the same people that think JFK was a great Democrat President, but if presented the policies of JFK, they would find that JFK is too conservative.

These people would align more closely to Krushchev than Kennedy.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 9:41 am
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11587 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:57 am to
Went to Greece a few years ago. One of our tour guides had a drink afterwards with us.

He explained that men of all ages in Greece spend way too much time sitting at cafes and bars arguing about politics and falling for the next populist leader. Laziness, and obsession with empty leaders who promise to solve all the country’s problems. It’s an endless cycle of recession to the point it’s just the norm now.

Sound familiar to anyone?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83504 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:02 am to
TBH I think it's more common that people listened to a 30 minute podcast from Glenn Beck or James Lindsey or someone on the origins of CT and grab on to "Frankfurt School" or "deconstructionists" and like to throw them around because it makes them seem informed.

Which, listen, I'm glad they know that stuff and I'm sure we're aligned in our beliefs but it's not the answer to every question about wokeness.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281915 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:05 am to
Its affluenza.

Americans, even poor ones pursue idle entertainment over anything of substance.

The less you have to legitimately complain about, the more ridiculous policy becomes. Progressivism has no end game, its the constant tinkering to reach a genderless, raceless mass of humanity with no variance of thought.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
4585 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:06 am to
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America is the biggest exporter of bad ideas in the world, and it's not really close at the moment



It's close. We do have Hollywood ..that puts us over the top but the trade balance isn't soo lopsided
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
57861 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:07 am to
james lindsey is a f'ing homo
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83504 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:15 am to
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It's close. We do have Hollywood ..that puts us over the top but the trade balance isn't soo lopsided



Who else? I'm open to suggestions, I just don't think anyone is really exporting putrid stuff on the level we are (at least effectively).
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10526 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:15 am to
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please point me something akin to nearly all of the institutions of one of the most developed countries in the world promoting (especially to children):


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The idea that your race is actually your most defining characteristic and nearly everything bad that can happen to you is attributable to your race. Moreover, if you're of the majority race, you're inherently problematic simply through your existence. - The idea you gender is malleable and severe mental illness should be not only embraced but celebrated. We'll cheer your transition right up to your eventual suicide.


Holy hyperbolic scare tactics, Batman.

The, literal, only talking point in there that is widely talked about/promoted is that gender is malleable.

But it sure makes it easy to feel objectively on the right side of things when you exaggerate the other sides positions and extrapolate the most extreme viewpoints from .001% to be representative of the whole!

I don’t agree with a lot of the stuff that you don’t agree with. But people like you don’t make anything better when you argue against it from this ridiculous vantage point. It makes you lose any credibility to whoever you’re speaking with unless they already are fully on your side and want to hear it.

You’re the conservative version of “all republicans are racist or nazis”
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 10:17 am
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
5044 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:34 am to
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I really triggered you didn’t I?



He's defending his wokeness and you obviously ruffled his feathers.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83504 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:38 am to
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Holy hyperbolic scare tactics, Batman.

The, literal, only talking point in there that is widely talked about/promoted is that gender is malleable.

But it sure makes it easy to feel objectively on the right side of things when you exaggerate the other sides positions and extrapolate the most extreme viewpoints from .001% to be representative of the whole!

I don’t agree with a lot of the stuff that you don’t agree with. But people like you don’t make anything better when you argue against it from this ridiculous vantage point. It makes you lose any credibility to whoever you’re speaking with unless they already are fully on your side and want to hear it.

You’re the conservative version of “all republicans are racist or nazis”


Being moderate for the sake of being moderate is not a virtue. No offense, but you probably have no clue what I'm talking about and thus engaging with you on it isn't a good use of time for either of us.

CRT is the default position of every major college or university social science department in America. It's adopted and promoted by the WH. Nearly every major news outlet. Hollywood. Most large corporations. Every major medical organization. The equity council devised by the WH and in the news of late is CRT-based. Every major teacher's org or union promotes these concepts. When major medical schools require incoming students to pledge allegiance to indigenous forms of knowledge and medicine? Where do you think that comes from?

You can say "most Americans wouldn't agree with race essentialism, whiteness is evil, etc." and that's true. But once again, does that matter when it's increasingly a standard position for our institutions?
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
5044 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:38 am to
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You come to TD to shite on the country you live in and affords your opportunity to visit Costa Rica for a vacation multiple times.


What the hell does this have to do with all this "wokeness" crap we are living thru??? If you can't see what's happening to our politics, schools, race relations, etc.etc. you're just past hope.
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