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re: US Navy gives up on fighter pilots and turns to drones; says the F-35 will be its last fig
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:16 am to meeple
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:16 am to meeple
The problem with the -35 is that it tries to do EVERYTHING.
Jack of all trades and master of none.
It is not really the final word in air dominance and superiority like you suggest.
That title goes to the Raptor, which was built to be specifically an air superiority platform and when it went operational was estimated that it would take approximately 30 years for another country to be able to field a unit that can match its capabilities.
In the present day, it mops the floor in combat exercises against the prior king of air superiority, the Eagle, in spite the scenario involving the Raptor being outnumbered against a team of highly trained hostiles.
Jack of all trades and master of none.
It is not really the final word in air dominance and superiority like you suggest.
That title goes to the Raptor, which was built to be specifically an air superiority platform and when it went operational was estimated that it would take approximately 30 years for another country to be able to field a unit that can match its capabilities.
In the present day, it mops the floor in combat exercises against the prior king of air superiority, the Eagle, in spite the scenario involving the Raptor being outnumbered against a team of highly trained hostiles.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 7:30 am
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:19 am to meeple
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Nothing ever costs as much as initially planned. I've been working government contracts my entire career and this is always the case. Welcome to the real world.
You see, my coworkers and I in the private world get paid to be +/- 5% of estimated costs. You government guys get paid to blow budgets.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:21 am to Buckeye Backer
I am not sure they are talking AI yet.
And you have to consider: an unmanned craft can fly harder than any manned one.
A "dogfight" scenario where what you describe, the most important thing may be the fact that one side is able to out fly the other in spite of the other guy barely holding on to consciousness in a high G maneuver.
And you have to consider: an unmanned craft can fly harder than any manned one.
A "dogfight" scenario where what you describe, the most important thing may be the fact that one side is able to out fly the other in spite of the other guy barely holding on to consciousness in a high G maneuver.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:22 am to meeple
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The US needed air dominance and superiority and the F-35 provides that.
Yea, that's not really true. There are more than a few simulated wargames that the F-35 gets trounced in by the Chinese airforce. It's slower, less agile, and less stealthy than the newest Chinese counterpart, and that's a statistical fact. They pretty much copied the design of the F-35 using hackers to steal the diagrams of the airframe, then removed all of the shite that slows it down, makes it not be able to make snap turns, reduces the pilots rearward visibility, and replaced all the reinforcing structure that our F-35 had removed for some bullshite airfan that the Marines demanded to settle a grudge from 60 years ago.
It's slower, less stealthy, less agile, and less rugged, and it most certainly will not provide air dominance, God forbid we ever have to combat that.
What it DID do, was keep a lot of slapdick selfish politicians and officials in office, and line the pockets of everyone involved. But hey, American pilots lives, who gives a frick about that, right?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:22 am to hikingfan
That F-22 Raptor tho 
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:26 am to bencoleman
quote:And, once we don't have to worry about things like g-forces, the shite they're gonna put up there is gonna be absurd.
It's crazy that in a hundred years we went from bi-planes to unmanned fighters.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:27 am to ShortyRob
Bring back the A-10, but modernize that bitch
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:29 am to Jim Rockford
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Well, it'll probably be 20 or 30 years before humans are completely out of the loop, presumably all that will be taken care of by then. He's just saying there's a finite end to manned flight. Which we already knew, he's just the first one to officially say it.
No, he is not doing that.
He is making a statement indicating a final decision has been made when there are barely any prototypes of unmanned carrier craft.
He is talking far in the future, but it seems to be awfully ballsy to make a claim that the f-35's lifespan is the lifespan of manned naval aviation when you have so many unknowns regarding the viability of unmanned combat effectiveness.
And by ballsy, I mean unnecessarily stupid.
To use your earlier analogy of battleships, this is like the Navy announcing they were scrapping their battleships one week after the Wright brother's first flight....because aviation was the future.
The reality was that they didn't get rid of them till 40 years after it was clear they were obsolete as the primary means of naval power. There was a reason for that....and it worked out pretty well for us.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:31 am to bencoleman
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It's crazy that in a hundred years we went from bi-planes to unmanned fighters.
It's insane when you study history and realize how short of a time ago we had basically no technology, makes 200 yrs seem like 2000
Just think, the American Revolution was only 240 years ago, that's basically nothing when you look at the history of humanity as a whole.
We wrap 1000 yrs of Egyptian or Greek history into one time period like everything was the same the whole time. We talk about the "fall of the Roman Empire" in the 470's, yet it lasted almost 1000 years more
Yet when you study American History it's clear are society is VASTLY different than the one who participated in the Boston Tea Party, or even the one that fired on Fort Sumter only 155 yrs ago. It's crazy really how far we have come in such a short amount of time
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 7:34 am
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:31 am to Volvagia
and meanwhile, helo pilots are in greater need
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:41 am to TigerFanatic99
The Marine Corps totally fricked the F35 program with its ridiculous demand for a VSTOL airplane.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:41 am to Tiger1242
It took more than 5000 years to go from having a wheel to having the wheel self powered.
From there it took us 130 years to learn how to fly.
Then it took us 46 years to learn how to fly faster than the speed of sound.
Then it took us 15 years to get into space.
Then it took us 8 years to land on the moon.
From there it took us 130 years to learn how to fly.
Then it took us 46 years to learn how to fly faster than the speed of sound.
Then it took us 15 years to get into space.
Then it took us 8 years to land on the moon.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:42 am to Volvagia
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Then it took us 8 years to land on the moon.
And the we just quit. Where's the damn warp drive!?#??!?!?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:44 am to Volvagia
It's just crazy, imagine what we will be able to do in 20 years, 50 years.
Ancient Egyptians built pyramids out of sand that have stood for 5000 years without 1/1000000 of our technology, imagine what archeologist will find from our society in 5000 years. Imagine what we COULD create if we had the mind to
Ancient Egyptians built pyramids out of sand that have stood for 5000 years without 1/1000000 of our technology, imagine what archeologist will find from our society in 5000 years. Imagine what we COULD create if we had the mind to
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 7:46 am
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:45 am to GeauxxxTigers23
That's kind what I was thinking after I finished. 
Hey, look on the bright side....they know how to do it. In theory.
The next step is figuring out how to convert the entire mass of Jupiter to energy to make a single hop.
Hey, look on the bright side....they know how to do it. In theory.
The next step is figuring out how to convert the entire mass of Jupiter to energy to make a single hop.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:45 am to Tiger1242
Facebook and instagram selfies
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:48 am to meeple
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As far as taking humans out of the loop in the future, I see what they are saying. However, there is currently nothing that can replicate the ability of a human to assess a situation and make a decision if there is one to be made. A machine cannot always be counted on to make the same (correct) decision in certain critical situations.
I'm not sure exactly what kind of program Mabus has in mind (I think he's shooting his mouth off, frankly) but I imagine the next several generations of operational unmanned vehicles will remain remote piloted (like our current UAVs). It's why the term "drone" is so annoying. It's not a drone. A machine is not flying it. I'm not a tech expert, but I imagine we're a long way off (like generations) from putting AI into military combat.
We've all seen Terminator and that shitty movie with Jamie Foxx and Jessica Alba.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:48 am to hikingfan
this sounds like a guy who dated a crazy girl and then swore off girls
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:52 am to Navytiger74
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I'm not a tech expert, but I imagine we're a long way off (like generations) from putting AI into military combat.
No, we're not, brother. Whether or not the political will exists is a different question, but AI could do limited combat tasks right now - and has been the case for some time.
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We've all seen Terminator
And its only sequel, Terminator 2.
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and that shitty movie with Jamie Foxx and Jessica Alba.
No, sir. I am unfamiliar with this one.
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