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re: US Navy gives up on fighter pilots and turns to drones; says the F-35 will be its last fig
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:56 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:56 am to Ace Midnight
I'm mostly curious how AI would handle CID/IFF foul ups.
I have no idea how often they happen and the act of not raising hell is purely a judgement call.
I have no idea how often they happen and the act of not raising hell is purely a judgement call.
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:00 am to hikingfan
Geaux Navy
Sad. Sad. Sad
Happy I grew up in my Generation, Happy my life is on the down side, I do not like what the future of this Country MAY be headed to. Too many STUPID PEOPLE voting.
Sad. Sad. Sad
Happy I grew up in my Generation, Happy my life is on the down side, I do not like what the future of this Country MAY be headed to. Too many STUPID PEOPLE voting.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:01 am to namvet6566
What about your children and grandchildren?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:04 am to hikingfan
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The US Navy is planning to stop using manned fighter jets in the coming years
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:05 am to Volvagia
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I'm mostly curious how AI would handle CID/IFF foul ups.
And that is one of the sticking points. People talk about AI like it's voodoo or something, though. How do you think a firing solution is derived for the Aegis defense system? Any of the fancy new laser weapons? The Patriot?
All of those are computer generated firing solutions based on computer calculations. Heck, when an M1 tank gunner fires a round, he's just accepting a computer recommendation - millions of calculations per second.
It's just how far up the chain are we going to allow AI autonomy to solve the tactical problem. In a high performance combat aircraft, the slightest lag between the controller and the aircraft could make all the difference. That is where I think we'll see the first, truly autonomous AI-controlled combat platform. There will be some master override or kill switch/failsafe at first, but I suspect we'll have to be careful with that, because that's the first thing hackers try to exploit.
And then, it will be time to start watching out for the Terminators.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:08 am to Ace Midnight
When will the grunt go away?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:08 am to Ace Midnight
But the big difference is that unless I'm mistaken, all those scenarios have a human pulling the trigger.
Maybe that is the solution.
The details of how it does things are done locally by AI, but general marching orders are done by remote operator.
Maybe that is the solution.
The details of how it does things are done locally by AI, but general marching orders are done by remote operator.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:11 am to Ace Midnight
I assume the military is moving towards unmanned fighting vehicles of all types? If they remove the human from the equation, do they fear more incidents of hitting the wrong target- say a school or hospital? I thought the benefit of the pilot was that he could verify (in most cases) what was being shot at, hit, assess damage, etc. Or have those issues been resolved?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:13 am to Ace Midnight
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but AI could do limited combat tasks right now - and has been the case for some time.
I'd actually be really interested in reading up on some of that. As I said, I don't have an inside line on the shite that DARPA and other R&D programs are doing, but it would surprise me to find out that we're close to fielding a fully autonomous, decision-making weapons platform that can be integrated into real-time combat ops. If there's something you can share, that can be my afternoon diversion. I mean I know that we have certain detection units and things of that nature with important application in the field, but I'm talking more about say, an aircraft that could effectively duplicate a pilot's efforts--not just receive a pre-programmed mission that has to be manually updated in-mission by a human as the situation dictates.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:13 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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When will the grunt go away?
Never. But they will become more and more supplanted by technology. Robot load carriers, advanced armor, etc. Essentially all ground troops will be equivalent to modern special operators, and we'll need far fewer of them.
There will be a blurring, though, as they may also have robotic weapon platforms (replace crew served weapons) and at that point, what's the difference?
And I'm talking in terms of technology that's available right now - not some far off vision of the future. It is just the testing, approving and fielding issues remaining on a lot of this.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:15 am to Ace Midnight
So like Starship Troopers?
The ones in the book, not the movie.
The ones in the book, not the movie.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:18 am to GeauxTigerTM
Goodnight sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:18 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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So like Starship Troopers? The ones in the book,
That's the general concept, yes.
This is from earlier this year - I haven't really been tracking it as closely as I used to, but slow and steady progress:
Breaking Defense article on Socom's "Iron Man"
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:20 am to Ace Midnight
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And its only sequel, Terminator 2.
Precisely.
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No, sir. I am unfamiliar with this one.
It's "Stealth". And it was actually another terrible but overall attractive Jessica--Biel.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:29 am to Volvagia
quote:imagine a craft that is not limited to G forces tolerated by a pilot.
m sure they know things I don't....but I don't see how these craft can have an advantage in a combat scenario.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:31 am to Ace Midnight
That's interesting. I've got a buddy who works for Booz Allen. He's a former Recon guy. His job is to work with all the needs who design cool shite and basically say "Yeah, we can use that but it would be really great if it could do this..." or "That's really neat guy but it's fricking pointless and we don't need that shite."
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:32 am to meauxjeaux2
I got that, I even said that in later posts.
The problem is that we are a very very long way from AI driven craft.
Remote operators mean signal lag.
Signal lag means death in combat situations.
And once we attain AI driven craft, who knows if it is better than human ones.
The problem is that we are a very very long way from AI driven craft.
Remote operators mean signal lag.
Signal lag means death in combat situations.
And once we attain AI driven craft, who knows if it is better than human ones.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:34 am to Volvagia
quote:no sir. Satellite signaled is light speed.
signal lag.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:37 am to meauxjeaux2
Wanna know how I know you have no experience with satellite communications?
Btw, technically all OTA transmissions occur at light speed, regardless of them being directed to a satellite or not.
Btw, technically all OTA transmissions occur at light speed, regardless of them being directed to a satellite or not.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:37 am to bencoleman
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It's crazy that in a hundred years we went from bi-planes to unmanned fighters.
Yet we are still using gasoline to power cars.
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