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re: US Home Sellers outnumber Buyers by almost 500,000, the largest gap ever recorded

Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:22 am to
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:22 am to
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Being taxed & insured out of their homes


My mortgage (principle/interest) hasn't changed in 10 years. My escrow (insurance/taxes) has tripled over the same time period. Unsustainable, especially for seniors on fixed incomes.
This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 8:23 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179753 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:25 am to
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My escrow (insurance/taxes) has tripled over the same time period. Unsustainable, especially for seniors on fixed incomes.



Louisiana needs to raise the homestead exemption rates. $75K is nothing compared to how quickly values have risen. They are trying to raise it to $125K, which is still too low IMO.

They should do this since they can't seem to fix the insurance market to give people some sort of break.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
148555 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:35 am to
Speaking of insurance, these fricking crooks at State Farm fricking dragged arse on a legit claim at the beginning of the year. I ended up paying out of pocket under the impression they were going to cut me a check. They then denied for bullshite reasons. Then closed the claim and referred me to a 3rd party engineering firm they contracted who then wouldn’t return my request for the report he made.


And now the jackoffs want to sent me a renewal with some bullshite upgraded coverage. They can get fricked




Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
19313 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:35 am to
Wait, what happened to the housing shortage, or was it just a shortage of low income housing?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72364 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:39 am to
My wife works for the real estate division of an attorney’s office. She does the closings where you go in and sign a mountain of papers. From what she’s told me, the last several months were very slow. Where they had been averaging 4-5 closings a day, they’d been averaging that number in a week. However, that trend has reversed in the last month. They did seven just yesterday. I know that’s purely anecdotal. So take it for what it’s worth.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:41 am to
Boise, PNX, and Austin are the surprising ones on that list. But those markets were super hot the ten plus years leading up to 22’ so they just got cut back down to reasonable.

Others on the list is almost all tied to insurance premiums raising exponentially. And possibly culvha


Family member bought in the Phoenix area in 2022. In Carefree 10-15 miles north in the foothills. Curious if he is taking a beating on value
This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 8:46 am
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2916 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:41 am to
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Good news, prices need to come down


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Yet they aren't.

We need to figure out why that is.


Normal economic forces are at play, but there's a hidden reason most people don't know about much less consider. Absolute fraud on the part of builders...and likely the banks as well.

Builders bake their desired gross margin into the "costs" of interim construction loans. I'm talking 6 figures' worth. The banks are either dumb as shite or they're complicit because they like those sweet loan amounts.

The banks either knowingly or unknowingly loaned out the margin, so they're assuming all of the risk of the project. The asset "value" HAS to stay elevated because the liability was fluffed 25% on top of what was already heavily (and I mean HEAVILY) padded.

Every line item is fluffed/padded, then phantom costs are added (and those are padded/fluffed), then contingencies are built in ("you know, just in case"), then the GM/NP is baked back into the big ticket items, a bloated loan is taken, as much money as possible is siphoned off and away from the core business, then the builder pays the interest on the interim with the GM/NP they took from the bank in the first place.

Those of you who haven't seen behind the curtain on construction, especially home building, would be absolutely shocked at how much bullshite is baked into the price of a home. When I say it's "criminal," I don't mean it's in poor taste.

So the "cost" to build the house includes the builders GM (or in some cases, their desired NP) and then, because they're greedy as hell, they can't stop there...so they tack on another big chunk to the GTM price. Now you have an asset for sale at ridiculous prices. (Which means total cost of ownership - taxes and insurance, etc. - also outrageously high...)

When money was free to borrow, people just paid it because they could manage the monthly payment. That's not the case now. Mortgage rates aren't coming down and the asset values CAN'T come down or the banks are undercollateralized...so now it's stuck.

This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 8:43 am
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:48 am to
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Where they had been averaging 4-5 closings a day, they’d been averaging that number in a week. However, that trend has reversed in the last month. They did seven just yesterday. I know that’s purely anecdotal. So take it for what it’s worth.
good number of folks wait for the school year to end before initiating an intended move.
Posted by CONNECTICUTTIGER
RHODE ISLAND
Member since Apr 2006
1153 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:53 am to
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Still waiting for a market crash is Westerly. Wishful thinking.


I have my long-term house already, hoping the market here keeps going up and up.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35898 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:54 am to
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I'm here in FL and I've been noticing a lot of price drops on everything listed. Lease is up the end of september so was planning on starting to look for a house in a month or so. Wondering if I should casually look and continue to let prices drop or i bite the bullet rather than dealing with signing another lease and breaking it in a few months if prices drop even further?


We’re in exactly the same situation here in Charleston, except our lease is up in October. We’re likely gonna resign to give ourselves some flexibility. Figure that even a $6k hit to get out of the lease is worth it to get what we want at a better price while possibly dropping seven figures. Helps that we love where we’re renting now.
This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 8:55 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72364 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:56 am to
Yeah, I was thinking that had to play a part in it. Still, from what she’s told me, she’s seeing a big swing in orders coming in. It seems to be gaining steam, at least in her office. Again, purely anecdotal.
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1715 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 8:59 am to
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Louisiana needs to raise the homestead exemption rates. $75K is nothing compared to how quickly values have risen. They are trying to raise it to $125K, which is still too low IMO.


We need to eliminate the homestead exemption, IMO. Let everyone suffer through property taxes and maybe it will level out for everyone. Lower millages across the board to adjust it down. If you raise the homestead exemption, everyone's assessment value is just going to magically go up to make up for that lost revenue.

Until they start eliminating "reassessments" other than at the point of sale (property transfer), this is the only fair way to tax people.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31758 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 9:02 am to
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The market needs to crash already. And yes, I don’t own a home yet…but ‘bout to.

People have been wishcasting that for decades. Good luck
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35898 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 9:02 am to
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Wait, what happened to the housing shortage, or was it just a shortage of low income housing?


It was a shortage in certain areas due to the mass migration of covid. Major swaths of the country never had a shortage.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179753 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 9:06 am to
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Yeah, I was thinking that had to play a part in it. Still, from what she’s told me, she’s seeing a big swing in orders coming in.


Summer sales bump. It happens every year, but looking at the monthly trends, we are still right at or below 2024's pace, which was the slowest year since 1995, and all indicators are that things will slow down even more. A drop in interest rates could reverse that, but the 10-year yield has shown no signs of relenting.


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In 2024, US home sales experienced their slowest year since 1995, according to the National Association of Realtors. This slowdown was primarily driven by high mortgage rates and affordability challenges for potential buyers.



Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2916 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 9:09 am to
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A drop in interest rates could reverse that, but the 10-year yield has shown no signs of relenting.


Why would you even say this? Everyone knows Jerome Powell controls mortgages.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179753 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 9:14 am to
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Why would you even say this? Everyone knows Jerome Powell controls mortgages.



Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
94112 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 9:16 am to
This is finally it. 2025 will end like 2008


Better cash out all your equity homeowners. Better max that HELOC before they freeze it
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179753 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 9:19 am to
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This is finally it. 2025 will end like 2008


Better cash out all your equity homeowners. Better max that HELOC before they freeze it


Why does this make you so emotional?

No one ITT mentioned 2008, and it's silly to even try to compare a current correction to 2008, even in a hyperbolic manner.
Posted by FourThinInches
Member since Apr 2012
1351 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 9:27 am to
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Better build some more neighborhoods full of claptrap shoddy 3/2 cardboard boxes with no parking and plastic fences.

Don’t forget about these garbage 3/2 houses not having any storage or attic space requiring you to use garage to store things, thus cars parked all over street.
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