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Posted on 11/4/25 at 9:37 pm to deltaland
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Watching the video of takeoff they were on the runway while the engine was on fire did nobody radio them to stop?
Seems they could have shut down the engines and maybe prevented the explosion?
They were close to liftoff with a full load. Think 600,000 lbs moving at 180mph…ain’t no stopping at that point.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 9:37 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Thank you for clarifying
Yeah man.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 9:56 pm to gaetti15
What was on the Facebook link?
Posted on 11/4/25 at 10:23 pm to goldennugget
Jesus, RIP, I just hope they hit the eject button and the parachutes deployed.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 10:39 pm to real turf fan
Someone else will describe it better but the plane comes in very low to the ground and tilted from the right side of the screen with flames following. It crashes on the left side and the entire frame is filled with explosions and flames. It’s horrific.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 10:48 pm to goldennugget
MD-11 is a beautiful plane. Must have lost an engine and was probably too heavy to lift off
This post was edited on 11/4/25 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 11/4/25 at 11:01 pm to Jim Rockford
Won't be surprised to hear engine parts and fan blades went into the wings fuel cells....If so it was over at that point. Must have been huge engine failure...
Posted on 11/4/25 at 11:02 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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That's the working theory (how I see it) as of now Engine 1 detaches from plane and causes structural damage. Structural damage on a plane loaded to the max with fuel and cargo. Pilots did the best with what they had to work with, but there was no chance. Pray for the families of all involved. Horrible day for a lot of people. Just sad all around.
Wow same thing happened to that AA DC-10 in the 70’s, the deadliest airline crash in US history.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 11:02 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
That's just awful. Those poor bastards. They fought it the whole way but they were fricked before they even left the ground.
Hopefully the number is as small as possible. fricking awful for all the families.
Hopefully the number is as small as possible. fricking awful for all the families.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 11:06 pm to jcaz
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Gotta be FOD.
I've seen FOD do that to an engine.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 11:07 pm to VooDude
quote:Lowest IQ on this site
VooDude
Posted on 11/4/25 at 11:07 pm to Reflex
News says up 7 now. Brutal.
Some maintenance dude/dudette is about to get reamed by every lawyer that's not already disbarred.
Some maintenance dude/dudette is about to get reamed by every lawyer that's not already disbarred.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 11:27 pm to 777Tiger
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that’s not true
Like you would know. Stay in your lane dude! :)
This post was edited on 11/4/25 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:19 am to TheArrogantCorndog
Looks like a compressor stall in the number 2 engine, you can see the airplane yaw after the compressor stall
Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:15 am to SickTiger
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Looks like a compressor stall in the number 2 engine, you can see the airplane yaw after the compressor stall
I'm sorry, what video shows this??
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:38 am to goldennugget
Captain Steeve provides some excellent analysis as usual. Pretty much says what others have said here about it being too late for the pilots to abort after the initial fire.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 5:57 am
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:41 am to BHM
Air Disasters had an episode in 2014 of AA1191 ‘s crash at Chicago’s O’hare.
Engine pylon bolt sheared but issue was caused by ground maintenance short-cuts used to mount the engine.
Would not be surprised if similiar situation caused this. NTSB will get to the bottom of this eventually.
Engine pylon bolt sheared but issue was caused by ground maintenance short-cuts used to mount the engine.
Would not be surprised if similiar situation caused this. NTSB will get to the bottom of this eventually.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:52 am to AUTimbo
It was found that many airlines were doing that procedure, despite the manual showing a different procedure. That was a huge deal, I highly doubt that procedure is still being performed that way.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 6:36 am to AUTimbo
This was a good x post about the comparisons to AA1191 and pointing out important differences/procedural changes that stemmed from that incident.
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You are going to start seeing comparisons to American flight 191. It was a DC-10 that crashed in 1979. The left engine detached from the wing on takeoff, resulting in a crash that remains the deadliest to have occurred in the United States.
The MD-11 *is* a derivative of the DC-10, but w/ many changes. It is *not* the same aircraft.
As I said earlier, I’m not going to speculate on this crash, but you are going to see speculation anyway. So let’s briefly talk about the DC-10 crash in the hopes of at least preparing you for the speculation.
In the 1979 Chicago crash, the engine separated, going up & over the left wing. This damaged the hydraulic lines (but *not* all of them & the systems back each other up), which then caused the “slats” or “leading edge flaps” to retract. This, in turn, raised the stall speed of the left wing & resulted in a loss of control.
The retraction of the slats is an issue that the FAA ordered fixed. They now physically lock out instead of relying on hydraulic pressure.
Another factor was that the pilots slowed down to the speed they are supposed to fly as they takeoff, known as V2. Had they maintained excess speed, they may have controlled the jet. The practice was changed to fly at a speed of “V2 + 10 knots” in the event of an engine failure for the DC-10.
Ultimately, the cause of the engine separation was ruled to be improper maintenance procedures; they had been using forklifts to attach & detach the engine for maintenance, which was not an approved method. Over time, this resulted in damage to the engine pylon & it ultimately failed.
How much of this was carried over to the MD-11, I don’t know. I didn’t fly the MD-11, but I’d be surprised if they didn’t incorporate these lessons…and the lessons of other DC-10 crashes. Even the Air Force modified the KC-10 based on them.
Again, speculation is not going to help, but this is the internet & you are going to see it anyway. You should not take this post as a suggestion that this is what happened…rather, I want to point out that there are very important differences here. The MD-11 is *not* the DC-10.
Let me say it clearly: I don’t know what happened. Neither do the people who are suggesting they do. The purpose of this post is just to give you clear information when you start to see speculation.
Hope that helps.
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