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re: Uproar as after-school Satan club forms at Tennessee elementary school
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:33 am to John88
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:33 am to John88
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The After School Satan Club (ASSC) wants to establish a branch in Chimneyrock elementary school in the Memphis-Shelby county schools (MSCS) district.
1. I dont have kids
2. IF I did have kids at that school, I would immediately drive over there and remove them from the school and enroll them in another school that knows the existence of good and bad.
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he Satanic Temple makes it clear its members do not actually worship the devil or believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural.
Problem #1 They don't even think the enemy exist
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MSCS interim superintendent Toni Williams reportedly said there are no plans to prevent the club from operating in the district.
That's fine. Christian parents should remove their kids from the school. Whatever remains, stays at that school while everyone else enrolls at a school respects good and bad.
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:33 am to SpotCheckBilly
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they don't believe in or worship Satan, then why make that name the focus of their group
To trigger people. It seems it worked judging by the reaction to the news they were forming a club.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:34 am to chinhoyang
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Where are the parents?
Apparently driving thier kid to Satan club
I love watching jimmies get rustled when these Satanists come around.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:34 am to Supermoto Tiger
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IF I did have kids at that school, I would immediately drive over there and remove them from the school and enroll them in another school that knows the existence of good and bad.
The school has no choice. How did you miss that?
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:37 am to BeauxNArreaux
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Satan is both culturally and religiously the personification of evil, so if they aren’t worshiping evil then their name is just a dumb grasp for attention and uproar.
Yes and no. Satan/Lucifer is essentially evil personified in Christianity and Islam. In Judaism, it’s significantly more complicated than that, mostly rejecting the personification completely. Then you have interesting cases like the Yazidi who are sometimes accused of being “devil worshipers” because of their reverence for the “peacock angel”.
Tangents about other religions aside, to return to Christianity as it is the dominant religion in the US, the Satan/Lucifer of the New Testament is considered evil personified because Yahweh is considered to be good personified. If Yahweh is perfectly good, then anyone or anything that opposes Yahweh in any way, shape, or form, is per se evil.
At which point someone takes the position that Yahweh isn’t perfectly good, then opposition to Yahweh ceases to be inherently evil. If Yahweh is the source of both good and evil, then a satan might be necessary. If Yahweh is malevolent, then a resistant satan could be construed as heroic.
This is ultimately all academic to me, as I don’t believe either exist, though I do find the cultural aspects of it to be interesting. With that said, I’m simply arguing that there are a litany of reasons someone could believe these entities do, or might, exist while not viewing Satan/Lucifer as evil personified.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:39 am to Joshjrn
democrats are insane
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:42 am to tigersmanager
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democrats are insane
Republicans fought hard for the rights of the religious groups to exist in schools! How dare you try to give the credit for this to the dems
And then Reagans supreme court made sure there would be no denying it.
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The Supreme Court, by a vote of 8-1, held in Westside Community Schools v. Mergens (1990) that the Equal Access Act is constitutional. These guidelines are designed to help school board members, administrators, teachers, parents, religious leaders and students understand and conform to the act.
The name of the act explains its essential thrust. There are three basic concepts.
The first is nondiscrimination. If a public secondary school permits student groups to meet for student-initiated activities not directly related to the school curriculum, then it is required to treat all such student groups equally. This means the school cannot discriminate against any students conducting such meetings “on the basis of the religious, political, philosophical, or other content of the speech at such meetings.” This language was used to make clear that religious speech was to receive equal treatment, not preferred treatment.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:59 am to StTiger
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Nobody is actually a “satanist,” the only people who believe Satan is real are Christians.
So they aren't a religion?
It would be wise to actually define, then use definitions to make those decisions and not be afraid of the blow back.
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Satanist only do it to get a rise out of Christians
So again, not a religion.
Additionally,
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The temple says it “does not believe in introducing religion into public schools and will only open a club if other religious groups are operating on campus”.
So group who wants to keep religion and/or Christianity out of the public sector, wants to limit the moral influence of religion, etc. - does not specifically believe in Satan, but does exactly what he would do?
Do any of the defenders see the strange irony in all of that? And do any of the defendersnot realize that many of our modern issues come from a retreat of judeo-christian morals from general culture?
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:02 am to HeadSlash
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The kids didn't push for this.
Ding ding ding. And this is why it should be wrong.
Usually Christian clubs are overly-zealous kids who want to band together and drive this, then some trolling atheist adult comes around to develop a Satanist club, and of course weird outcasts are going to find it (and the template probably incentivizes people to join
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 10:03 am
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:04 am to Freauxzen
The only people who want religious clubs in schools are religious folks. Nobody wants the church of Satan in schools, but religious people fought hard to make sure they had the ability to do so.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:18 am to Corinthians420
basically, it's either no clubs allowed or ALL clubs allowed.
you can't pick and choose what clubs get to be at the school. funny thing is the purpose of the "satanist" group is to stop ALL religious clubs. that's really the whole point of their movement. they want church and state to be separated. that's the goal. if the school came out and said "ok no more religious clubs" then the satanist group would say mission accomplished.
you can't pick and choose what clubs get to be at the school. funny thing is the purpose of the "satanist" group is to stop ALL religious clubs. that's really the whole point of their movement. they want church and state to be separated. that's the goal. if the school came out and said "ok no more religious clubs" then the satanist group would say mission accomplished.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:24 am to monsterballads
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satanist group would say mission accomplished.
So they seek to keep good moral foundations and groups of kids getting together for a higher purposes, whether you agree with it or not, out of school?
They don't have a higher purpose to look to, allegedly, they just want to keep that from others?
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:29 am to Freauxzen
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So they seek to keep good moral foundations and groups of kids getting together for a higher purposes, whether you agree with it or not, out of school
Yes. That is the job of the church, not the school.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 10:30 am
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:35 am to John88
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it claims it is secular and “promotes self-directed education by supporting the intellectual and creative interests of students”.
They could do this without:
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Instead Satan is used as a symbol of free will, humanism and anti-authoritarianism.
If the afore mentioned is really what the club is about.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:36 am to Freauxzen
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So they seek to keep good moral foundations and groups of kids getting together for a higher purposes
they seek to keep religious groups from infiltrating public schools paid for by tax dollars. when other groups are allowed, they will start a group at that public school.
if there is going to be a christian group, there will be a satanist group. and god forbid there will be a muslim group as well. the christians REALLY wont like that movement. when you open the door for religious groups to form at public schools, you open the door for ALL religious groups, whether you support them or not.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:42 am to monsterballads
When i was in school we had a student council, beta club, glee club, and a few other clubs.
We did not have a Jews club, baptists club, catholics club, islamist club, Muslims club, Satanists club, etc.
It just made sense to me that religion was to be practiced at the church. I don't see what was so horrible about that that now we need all these clubs to separate our children based on religion on school grounds.
We did not have a Jews club, baptists club, catholics club, islamist club, Muslims club, Satanists club, etc.
It just made sense to me that religion was to be practiced at the church. I don't see what was so horrible about that that now we need all these clubs to separate our children based on religion on school grounds.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:02 am to SixthAndBarone
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Freedom of religion. Y’all complain when libtards try to hate on christians, then you do the same to these folks. Lmao.
when you open the door for religious groups to form at public schools, you open the door for ALL religious groups, whether you support them or not.
EGG ZACH LEE
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:04 am to monsterballads
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they want church and state to be separated.
so did the Founding Apostles, i mean, Fathers of this great country...
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Satan lies. What a surprise.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:02 pm to DownSouthJukin
quote:What? It's literally what liberty and freedom are about.
bullshite. This is a cop out. I bet you proclaim to be a “libertarian,” too.
Count yourself as part of the problem.
Wanting to not allow something solely because YOU don't like it is the literal opposite of wanting freedom. You want freedom only when it's something you like or agree with...that's not freedom.
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