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re: Uproar as after-school Satan club forms at Tennessee elementary school

Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:32 am to
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13247 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:32 am to
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claims it is secular


They don't have to believe in Satan-He believes in them!
Posted by tigersownall
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2011
17000 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:33 am to
Of course they are
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
24131 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:34 am to
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Freedom of religion. Y’all complain when libtards try to hate on christians, then you do the same to these folks. Lmao.

Nobody who knows anything about the constitution or viewpoint discrimination gives a frick about their Democrat club.

You, yes libtards, need to be honest that they’re activists and it isn’t a legitimate religion
Posted by JTM72
BR, LA.
Member since Mar 2014
1459 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:36 am to
TD - Louisiana sex cult thread

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They practiced Satanism, witchcraft, and Vikingism - the worship of the old Norse gods - and ritualistically scarified a puppy, court documents alleged. The alleged victim was told she had to live with the group to join the polyamorous relationship with Hannah because she 'didn't do long distance'. She was forced to renounce her Christianity in front of the group and adopt their occult beliefs

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Blue-haired Louisiana woman who has THREE husbands and practices VIKINGISM is accused of raping fourth partner and offering a puppy sacrifice 'to the Gods'



Satanism - Raping people, and killing puppies. Doesn't sound like a "bad" club to me at all
Posted by Swamp Angel
West Georgia Chicken Farm Territory
Member since Jul 2004
10172 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:37 am to
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It's elementary school. Kids can't participate without parents consent.


Are you sure about this? How many things are taught in public schools without the parents' knowledge or consent these days?
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:38 am to
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Satanism - Raping people, and killing puppies. Doesn't sound like a "bad" club to me at all

Wait so the "just a few bad apples" thing doesn't apply here like it does when the Sunday school teacher gets caught molesting students?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79924 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:43 am to
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Satanism - Raping people, and killing puppies. Doesn't sound like a "bad" club to me at all
Not the same. The club in the OP doesn't actually believe in anything supernatural and admit they are secular. They are just a political group looking to troll.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476612 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:45 am to
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They practiced Satanism

I doubt they were practicing the tenets of TST

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and Vikingism

Seems to be what they were doing, sensationalized by the prosecutor.

I'd love more details on the alleged Satanism though. Crazy people do invoke the word quite often for shock effects
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35877 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:46 am to
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secular/sek'y?-l?r/

adjective

Worldly rather than spiritual.

Not relating to religion or to a religious body; nonreligious



Where did you get your definition? Mines from Merriam-Webster
quote:

a
: of or relating to the worldly or temporal
secular concerns
b
: not overtly or specifically religious
secular music
c
: not ecclesiastical or clerical
secular courts
secular landowners
2
: not bound by monastic vows or rules
specifically : of, relating to, or forming clergy not belonging to a religious order or congregation
a secular priest
3
a
: occurring once in an age or a century
b
: existing or continuing through ages or centuries
c
: of or relating to a long term of indefinite duration
secular inflation




Not being overtly religious =/= being atheistic or non-religious.

There are secular christians and buddhists the world over. I am a Secular Buddhist. I believe that Buddhism and Christianity are Philosophies to live your life by.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30452 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:46 am to
All freedoms have a cost.

Most people are not willing to pay the cost personally and even if they are only for the freedoms they want to avail themselves of.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79924 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:49 am to
Here's another
quote:

adjective

of or relating to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred; temporal:secular interests.

not pertaining to or connected with religion (opposed to sacred):secular music.


Dictionary .com
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:51 am to
I've never understood how Christians who believe in the book that says "But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do."

Could then in good faith go fight for their right to lead prayers in schools.

Reciting the Lord's prayer before every football game always seemed to fit" vain repetition" imo

I don’t think Jesus intends us to recite his prayer. I suspect he gives it to us as a model to guide us, not a passage to memorize.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 7:56 am
Posted by JTM72
BR, LA.
Member since Mar 2014
1459 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:53 am to
Well what you're talking about is mainly from the Catholic church, and I'm not catholic whatsoever. Yes, I do believe they should be exposed 100%. Also, thats not part of the religion but rather the disgusting, selfish acts of horrible individuals who have taken advantage of the church and their system. However sacrificing a puppy was done in the name of their religion.

And idk if you can say just a few bad apples. I'd be willing to bet the amount of "bad apples" in satanism, is FAR greater than any Christian religion.

We can start pulling stats if you want...

Most people agree that Satan is an evil entity. And teaching young adolescent kids that evil is good, is never a good thing, whether you're religious or not. Those that are hellbent for this are just trying to rebel against their surrounding culture, just as it has been stated in this thread before.
Posted by baytiger11
Member since Jul 2020
2491 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:53 am to
This is how it starts and then you end up in polygamous relationship sacrificing puppies to the Viking gods.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79924 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:54 am to
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Could then in good faith go fight for their right to lead prayers in schools
Isn't there a verse that suggests one should spread the good news in public?
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35877 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:55 am to
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I'd be willing to bet the amount of "bad apples" in satanism, is FAR greater than any Christian religion.




You would lose that bet.


Bigly.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122149 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:56 am to
They are probably doing it just to get people worked up. If everyone would act like they are accepting and it doesn't bother them, they will go away,
Posted by Swamp Angel
West Georgia Chicken Farm Territory
Member since Jul 2004
10172 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 8:03 am to
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The temple says it “does not believe in introducing religion into public schools and will only open a club if other religious groups are operating on campus”


Well then, it seems to be an interesting paradox that a temple/religion/belief system is willing to go directly against their beliefs because someone else does something. That alone tells me that it has no real basis for existence other than to be contrarian. Sort of like someone wearing a screen name referencing the power of the kingdom of God but choosing to provide a seat of honor at the table for those who are in direct opposition to God.

The first amendment's statement: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" should be taken in its historical context. Under English rule the king was the head of the Anglican church and all subjects were, by law, required to be members of that church. Being Methodist, Baptist, and most certainly Presbyterian, was an offense punishable by law since it meant that you rejected the king's sovereignty.

Never did the founders and framers of the Constitution intend to give free reign to the practice of Mohammadism (as they called it) being that it was a religion foreign to their understanding and culture. Nor did any of the founders subscribe to Buddhism, Hinduism, or any of the other various religions that were not based upon Judeo-Christian beliefs.

Furthermore, nowhere in the Constitution does one find the words "separation of church and state." This is a construct of scholars who would have religious beliefs wiped out altogether and replaced with a religion based upon faith placed in the political State and look to the government as being the sole provider of all things.

Those that argue for allowing the "church of Satan" to establish a club in a public elementary school appeal to the letter of the law while gleefully abusing the spirit of the law. But, if we are to look and follow the law to its absolute letter, only congress is prevented from making a law that would prevent Satanists from establishing their club. Schools are not under federal rule. Education is the domain of the states. Therefore, if Tennessee wished to pass a law prohibiting the establishment of a Satanic club in their schools, then Tennessee is entirely within its rights to do so because, unlike congress, the Tennessee state legislature is not prohibited from passing such legislation.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 8:05 am
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 8:13 am to
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Education is the domain of the states. Therefore, if Tennessee wished to pass a law prohibiting the establishment of a Satanic club in their schools, then Tennessee is entirely within its rights to do so because, unlike congress, the Tennessee state legislature is not prohibited from passing such legislation.
That's fine if they are willing to give up their federal funds
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Nearly 1 million Tennessee students and more than 100,000 teachers and school staff receive direct support from federal funds. All 147 local school districts in Tennessee receive at least one federal grant, according to the state Department of Education.Nov 15, 2023
Posted by Big L
Houston
Member since Sep 2005
6143 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 8:22 am to
I’m Christian and I support other religions and organizations being able to assemble and have private groups in government funded buildings.

Also, practically, I love it when fringe organizations form and people identify themselves with their association in that group. It’s nice when you don’t have to figure out what people to avoid.
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