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re: Updated v.3.16 - Will Cover's 2018 buying guide to purchasing a new vehicle

Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:37 pm to
A man would admit his mistakes.

Come on buddy
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:54 pm to
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Report
• The average household is now carrying $15,983.00 in credit card debt – NerdWallet
• 78 % of full-time working Americans are living paycheck to paycheck – Fox News
• Only 39 % of U.S. adults have enough to cover a $1000.00 emergency - Bankrate


The frick are y’all doing out there?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:56 pm to
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The frick are y’all doing out there?



you're going to sit here on your high horse criticizing my cc debt but not talk about my $1100 in cc points just waiting for me at the click of a button?
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:00 pm to
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Extended warranties never make financial sense.


THIS

For everything anyone purchases
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 3:01 pm
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
33050 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:02 pm to
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you're going to sit here on your high horse criticizing my cc debt but not talk about my $1100 in cc points just waiting for me at the click of a button?

Using it responsibly is great, but let's not pretend there aren't people out there bragging about their $500 in points when they paid $1400 in cc interest last year.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:40 pm to
The formula A = P(1 + rt) is the total amount accrued, principal plus interest, from a simple interest loan.

A = Total Accrued Amount (principal + interest)
R = Rate of Interest per year as a percent; R = r * 100

Car loans are simple interest loans, what part of that do you not get? Let’s take half that $30K and use $15K as a reference point, and the APR of 5%. Say your payments are due every May 1st since we’re almost there, as another reference point.

You’re taking into account if you sent a $300 payment on May 1, then $238.36 goes toward principal, at a hypothetical 5% APR. If you sent the same payment on April 20, then $258.91 goes toward principal. If you can pay early every month, your principal balance shrinks faster, and you pay the loan off sooner than the original estimate.

The majority of people have their loans set up through automatic bill pay every month so they don’t have to worry about it. The figures I was using in my OP had to deal with interest expense in its totality, over a 72 month term, on a 30 day recurring payment schedule.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:49 pm to
So your final answer is to double down on your own stupidity?

I want you to look at your contract from the last time you financed a vehicle. And I want you to calculate out the interest versus what is actually on the finance contract. Maybe then you'll understand how you're fricking up.

The total amount of interest that I calculated and the total amount that the dealership could possibly make on holding rate is correct to the penny. If you can't understand that, I truly feel sorry for you.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 3:53 pm
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:05 pm to
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the dealership could possibly make on holding rate


And where did I say, I EVER financed a car through a dealership dumbass? An integral point of the OP's thread was to secure your own financing. Holding APR points by the F&I department does in fact happen.

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9. Settle on the price of the vehicle you’re interested in before you bring up financing – don’t let the rate of a loan influence the price of the vehicle. Have your financing pre-approved before you walk into a dealership. The little differences in the numbers can be huge. Consider this: $20,000 financed over five years at 3.9% costs $2,045.80 in interest. The same deal at 7.9 percent costs $4,272.20 -- a difference of more than $2,226.00. If you’re intent on financing, I highly recommend Pentagon Federal Credit Union or Lightstream (a division of SunTrust Bank) for auto financing.



Reading is not a high point for you, as we can all see your ignorance.
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:06 pm to
Any tips on selling a used car?
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:19 pm to
Your simple interest formula is not the proper formula to use here. That formula assumes your payments are interest only payments which is not how auto loans are structured. Auto loan payments include both principal and interest structured so that your balance will be zero at the end of the term, thus greatly reducing your total interest paid.


Rando is correct. Plug these numbers into any car loan calculator or excel loan amortization schedule and you will see.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:29 pm to
I get that amortizing occurs. The different APR's that were used as examples were used as a model to showcase how the dealership profits on holding 1-1.5% of APR on a customer that does not secure their own financing, and decides to finance through the dealership instead. Again, the figures I used were based on a 30 day reoccurring payment plan, and did not factor in early or late payment fluctuations.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29822 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:47 pm to
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Again, the figures I used were based on a 30 day reoccurring payment plan, and did not factor in early or late payment fluctuations.


You still don't get it.

My calculations are also based on monthly payments.

The difference is that I understand how the interest is calculated, while you do not.

a simple calculator that even you can use

You gain points for being stubborn.

You lose points for not admitting when you are wrong.

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Yeah F&I people at dealerships are the the true thieves of the dealerships. They hold points on the APR against people who don’t shop rates. 

For example, someone with a 750 credit score says they qualify for a 72 month loan at 4.59% where they could’ve gotten 3.5% on a used car. The dealership is making thousands off that deal. 



You lose even more points for attempting to redirect the disagreement by calling me a dumb arse and saying that I accused you of financing through a dealership... Rather than continuing the discussion within your original premise.

You still don't get it. And that's okay. I'm sure someone will give you a participation trophy.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 4:52 pm
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22342 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:00 pm to
So on your insurance software you used, why are the rates not present?
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29822 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:09 pm to
...because that isn't the calculator, merely the graphic.

The software is used for auditing insurance companies and putting them into rehabilitation/receivership.

It has the added utility of proving internet smart asses incorrect.

I suppose next you'll ask me why you can't see the excel formulas...


Let's make it easier:

magic box do math and make pictures

Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22342 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:18 pm to
Ah, so you won't show your steps in your calculations, got it

Carry on, Mr. Magic Box.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29822 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:23 pm to
Once again

https://calculator.me/vehicle/

Even you can use that.



72 lines

Thanks for making the last few hours go by.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 5:47 pm
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 6:42 pm to
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Breauxsif




You're very wrong in this thread man, FYI.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
17200 posts
Posted on 4/25/19 at 6:28 am to
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You're very wrong in this thread man, FYI


Yes he is. His formula simply doesn’t take into account paying down principal as a part of every monthly payment. And no I’m not talking about paying EXTRA principal, it doesn’t account for paying ANY principal.

I would love for him to show his work where the principal balance decreased with each monthly payment. I’ll save him the time...it doesn’t.
Posted by TIGER1790
Member since Jun 2017
80 posts
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:14 am to
Will Cover I am about to lease a new car. i have questions for you can you help me buddy?
Posted by Box Geauxrilla
Member since Jun 2013
19221 posts
Posted on 4/25/19 at 8:09 am to
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Will Cover I am about to lease a new car. i have questions for you can you help me buddy?


You literally replied to his post titled “Why Car Leasing is Generally a Bad Idea”.
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