re: (Update) Menendez brothers will be resentenced. Could be paroled immediately

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tOT

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It was just a general response.

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Fair enough. After I thought about it, though, I think it's a good comparison.
Is there a difference between planning to kill your child's abuser and carrying it out, versus planning to kill your drug associate who's gonna rat you out to the police to save his own arse? The law has always allowed for crimes of passion. Again, it's been all but proven, considering there was no court case to decide this detail, but it's become fairly obvious that the dad was a piece of shite. Are you really gonna argue that justice wasn't served when these two assholes have been in jail for 35 years? Remember, too, all the money they stood to inherit has been spent and it's not like they're gonna get released to a life of luxury.

I have that card and it’s graded PSA10

They knew those boys were sexually abused by their parents when they were convicted.

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I don't care if they waited 10 years before blowing their parents' heads off

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Yep

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will grant them a new sentencing hearing.

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If this is what happens, that is beyond ridiculous.

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They knew those boys were sexually abused by their parents when they were convicted.

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How do we KNOW this? The boys' word?

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A Menundo band member came out this year and said their dad raped him too

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There was also a letter that Eric wrote to his cousin about his dad raping him that was discovered and authenticated. Eric was like 12 or younger when he wrote the letter.

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How do we KNOW this? The boys' word?

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The coverup and defense of the Hollywood Music and Entertainment industry was even stronger in the 90's than it is now. Those boys were excoriated and mocked for saying they were sexually abused and feared for their lives.

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There was also a letter that Eric wrote to his cousin about his dad raping him that was discovered and authenticated. Eric was like 12 or younger when he wrote the letter.

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this reddit post lays out the case for abuse

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TESTIMONY OF COUSINS WHO LIVED AT THE MENENDEZ HOUSE

Two other cousins, Alan and Kathleen who spent summers at the house said the dad would take the boys to their bedroom and forbid the cousins from going "down the hall".

Brian said he heard cries and groans coming from the bedroom. He said that Kitty would turn the TV volume really high and stop him from going upstairs to see what happened.

Kathy and Brian also testified that Jose and the boys took showers together. Erik talks about these showers when talking to a reporter after the homicides and before they were arrested.

Diane Vandermolen testified that she saw Kitty going to the bathroom to "help Lyle shower" at 14 years old and this would take more than 20 minutes.

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ERIK’S LETTER TO HIS COUSIN

After Andy Cano passed away, his mother found a letter in his belongings that 17 year old Erik had written to him some months before killing his parents. In that letter, Erik mentions the ongoing sexual abuse:

Mom isn’t doing good. It’s like she’s here physically but mentally, she’s just gone, if you know what I mean. She freaks out over nothing. I feel bad for her. I don’t know why she puts up with dad’s shite. At times, I wish I could talk to her about things, you know? Some day... especially dad and I but the way she worships him and tells him everything, I’m so afraid she’ll tell him whatever I say. I just can’t risk it.

So now I’m stuck here alone. I’ve been trying to avoid dad. It’s still happening Andy but it’s worse for me now. I can’t explain it. He’s so overweight that I just can’t stand to see him. I never know when it’s going to happen and it’s driving me crazy. Every night I stay up thinking he might come in. I need to put it out of my mind. I know what you said before but I’m afraid. You just don’t know dad like I do. He’s crazy! He’s warned me a hundred times about telling anyone. Especially Lyle. Am I a serious whimpus? I don’t know I’ll make it through this. I can handle it, Andy. I need to stop thinking about it.

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BROTHERS TELLING COUSINS ABOUT THE ABUSE AS CHILDREN

Cousin Diane Vandermolen was told by Lyle when he was 9 years old that he was “afraid his dad was going to come into his room” and that “he and his dad had been touching each other down there”. Diane went to get Lyle’s mother and tell her but Kitty said Lyle was making things up and convinced Diane that nothing was wrong.

Erik’s cousin Andy Cano testified that when Erik was 12 and Andy was 10, Erik had told him that his dad is "massaging his dick" and was trying to find out if these massages are normal. He also told Andy that "these massages are beginning to hurt." Andy suggested asking his mother but Erik swore him to secrecy.

Andy was 15 when the brothers were arrested. He died in 2003 at 30 yeas old after an overdose on sleeping pills. His mother told reporters that she's convinced that her son died because he couldn't cope with the incarceration of his cousins.?

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MEDICAL RECORDS

There was an unexplained injury to the back of Erik's throat (posterior pharynx, the uvula, and the soft palate) at 7 years old which was consistent with oral rape.

In 1977, Erik was admitted to the E.R. There is a record from the following day from the Princeton Medical Center. It said:

Hurt posterior pharynx, uvula, and soft palate. Healing well. Symptomatic treatment.

Dr. Kerry English testified that this type of injury is an indication of oral copulation in children. Nowadays, dentists are trained to look for this injury in children to be able to detect and report child abuse.

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NAKED PHOTOS

Pictures were found of the brothers' naked bodies at 6 and 8 years old which had their heads cut off and focused on their genitals. 6 year old Erik apears to have an erection in one of the photos.

The envelope containing those photographs had their mother's handwriting on it that said "Erik's 6th birthday".

These photos were presented by the defense during both Erik and Lyle's direct examination and closing arguments.

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JOSE SHOWING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

One of their neighbors testified that Jose showed dinner guests a movie containing child pornography and that he found it entertaining.

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MADAME CHERI WOODS

Brothel madame Cheri Woods, who sent Jose Menendez escorts, revealed that he would always ask for underage and petite girls, one of her girls came back bleeding everywhere after spending time with Jose which scared many of the other women.

Woods said she met Jose Menendez in the early '80s, when the Cuban immigrant first took his job as a top executive at Carolco Pictures. For the next several years, Woods claimed, Menendez "called her every week to ask for girls."

Menendez had firm specifications with his orders.

He insisted that the girls be no more than 13 years old and petite, but I never employed minors, so I sent my youngest-looking girls.

Once, he tried to strangle a very sweet girl as he had sex with her, she was so scared she refused to go back to him - regardless of how much he wanted to pay her.

On another occasion, Menendez slapped his date around. And, according to Woods, as he pretended to rape her, she shouted "nasty and macho language" at her.

The final deal between Woods and Menendez took place some six years before he and his wife, Kitty, were found murdered. On this particular date, Menendez allegedly severely injured one of Woods' girls with whips and various sex toys.

The girl came back with scratches and bruises all over, I decided to stop taking his calls.

I believe that Jose's sexual appetite for teenagers and his violent tendencies could easily spill over into home life. Seeing what he did and could've done to the girls, his sons had good reason to think that Jose could hurt them if he wanted to.

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OTHER WITNESSES

There were many behaviours witnessed by teachers, coaches, friends and family members which were consistent with sexually abused children:

extreme dissociating

bedwetting as a teenager

hypersexualized behavior at a young age

playing with stuffed animals up until the age of 17

extremely high anxiety

losing hair at 14

sensitivity to touch

being uncomfortable talking about sex in any regard

acting out behaviour

frequent night terrors and nightmares

unexplained temper tantrums

psychosomatic complaints of stomachaches and headaches

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there is more but you get the gist.

I mean, this is all great and good, but what about Sam Sweet, of “Brother Sweet Brother” infamy, who is still rotting behind bars charged with the killing of his brother, Stan Sweet?