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re: UPDATE: Idaho Murders Thread (Links inside)
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:02 am to LaLadyinTx
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:02 am to LaLadyinTx
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Evidently tons of them use the "Share my location" function on their iphone
it's quite normal. my family uses it (parents & siblings) and it makes my parents feel better at night knowing where we're at without having to wait for a phone call or text to let them know we're home safe.
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Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:10 am to dallastigers
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Just like the dog being found
Can someone explain the dog’s whereabouts during the murders? I read someone speculating that the killer locked it in a room. Also, whose dog was it where did it normally sleep? Did it bark?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:29 am to HouseMom
quote:Yeah, you can. The house can be active regularly and you can still check in
But you can't have it both ways. You can't use the "party house" excuse on both sides of the argument.
quote:We don't know if she didn't. You can hear things even if headphones are in, or feel vibrations in the house that might make you go check the living area.
If it's a party house, and she's used to be people being in it at all hours, then she would have just put in air pods or something if people were being noisy.
quote:To see if one of her roommates was awake in the living room, if there had been a food delivery, if the dog was loose...possibilities are endless
Instead, she heard "weird" sounds (What would that even be in a party house?) and got out of bed, walked to the door, and opened it on THREE occasions. What would prompt a college student to get out of bed and look out of her door at that hour if she was used to people always being at her house.
quote:"Frozen in fear" is not the phrase that was used, so it probably shouldn't be continually repeated. Per the affidavit, Dylan was in a "frozen shock phase" when she saw the person walk near her door. Shock doesn't necessarily mean fear
Furthermore, on the third trip to peek out of her door she was "frozen in fear" from what she saw, but just proceeded to go to sleep. Sorry, it's just weird. Possibly completely innocent, but still odd.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:38 am to TrueTigerTale
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Not saying Bryan didn’t do it, but sure makes a lot more sense as to why it took sooo long for Dylan to call the police.
Wait, you think it makes sense that college girls in a sorority would go to a house and ignore 4 brutal murders to clean up some drugs for the survivors? There is no way you are serious
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:10 am to HouseMom
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Tons of people are stuck on this one point. I'm not saying she's somehow involved or to blame, but it's just really strange. As a woman, there is no way I would have just fallen asleep.
I've turned this around in my mind so many times, and I just can't land on a scenario where it makes sense.
As a woman who has been drunk before, it makes total sense. I think she was maybe a bit scared, but it was really late at night and she was very tired and possibly drunk or high as well. You think, I'm going to lock myself in here and maybe he will go away. You lay quietly in the bed and may be scared, but because you are so tired/drunk, etc., you fall asleep. You wake up in the morning and think maybe you were dreaming, etc.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:15 am to LaLadyinTx
Without knowing more, I think she was scared too and passed out...but I bet the defense will want to know her cellphone activity between the time she claims she saw the man in black and the time she called 911..
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:23 am to rsbd
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I think he is involved, but I don’t think he actually committed the murder.. why is there a defendant #2 listed on the court papers?? Why was there no blood in the car? How does the girl (roommate) see him close enough to see his eyebrows and not say he was covered in blood?? Why does she just go back in her room and go to sleep and not call the cops?? Much much more to this case than what is out there… Zero evidence even puts him at the house but one speck of DNA on the knife case.. cellphone data shows him in the area (headed to and away), but never actually at the house…. How is there no dna under any of the victims fingernails, especially the girl who fought with him…. Unless some concrete evidence comes up he beats this…
Defendent # 2 is listed because those were just regular standard court papers covering anything & everything for discovery
Those were fill in the blank type standard documents /“boilerplate” papers
Prosecution only needed to put what they felt necessary for probable cause to make an arrest in the probable cause affidavit. They did not have to include all of the evidence they had. So we don’t know that about the evidence in the car, his apartment, on his phone, laptop or under the victim’s fingernails etc etc. They included the minimum amount of evidence they had at the time in order to make an arrest. Only what was necessary. Didn’t want to show all their cards.
Some are even speculating they were onto him as early as the day LE made the statement that the public did not need to be afraid because it was a targeted attack. How would they have known that? Because they already knew it was him on that day. How? Partial License plate from a camera in the area, maybe??? They don’t say they had his plate in the PCA, but they didn’t need to. Maybe this is a stretch. But who knows?
it was very odd to tell the student body - half of them a bunch of young girls walking around at night and living alone unarmed that they weren’t in danger. To me that meant they SOMEHOW knew it was him at that point and were surveilling him 24/7. It would have been extremely irresponsible to say this, otherwise. We will find out if and how they knew in June….
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:33 am to berrycajun
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it was very odd to tell the student body - half of them a bunch of young girls walking around at night and living alone unarmed that they weren’t in danger. To me that meant they SOMEHOW knew it was him at that point and were surveilling him 24/7. It would have been extremely irresponsible to say this, otherwise. We will find out if and how they knew in June….
That's a very good point.
Also, I wish we could just put the length of time the roommate took to call 911 to bed.
These were five college girls living in a college-house in Moscow, Idaho. Stop making them out to be Tony Montana. This wasn't some gigantic drug den, and I highly doubt they spent a few hours searching through the house to flush drugs while their deceased roommates are in their rooms.
I'd assume Bryan was covered in blood splatter. After hearing a ruckus and supposedly seeing Bryan, I'm sure the roommate panicked - "flight or fight." She wisely locked her door, and was probably in disbelief. I doubt she knew and/or assumed that the four were just murdered - I'm sure she was in a panic and utter disbelief. Let's stop making them out to be a suspect or acting like they did (or didn't do) something wrong.
Remember, this crime occurred in the early, early houses of November 13th. It was the last football home game for the Idaho Vandal's for that year. Just like us, they probably spend their day tailgating, partying, going to post-game parties, bars, etc...
Again, the crime occurred just after 4:00 AM - after a long, long day. They, likely, weren't entirely lucid, and tack on the uncertainty of what just happened and the utter shock and disbelief...who knows why they waited to call, but it isn't relevant.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:34 am to WinnaSez
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Can someone explain the dog’s whereabouts during the murders? I read someone speculating that the killer locked it in a room. Also, whose dog was it where did it normally sleep? Did it bark?
It’s not clear on how dog was shut in room. Multiple theories in this thread but nothing definitive. The dog is now with Kaylee’s ex as they shared the dog after breaking up. The dog plus Kaylee trying to call and text the ex that night including mentioning the dog were part of a lot of initial theories/speculations about ex being involved which obviously didn’t prove to be accurate but were brought up a lot. The dog was looked at for evidence but nothing found (probably because it was shut in Kaylee’s bedroom).
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The bedroom on the west side of the floor was later determined to be Kaylee Goncalves, hereafter "Goncalves," room. I later learned (from review of Officer Nunes' body camera) there was a dog in the room when Moscow PoliceOfficers initially responded. The dog belonged to Goncalves and her ex-boyfriend Jack Ducoeur. I found out from my interview with Jack Ducouer on November 13, 2022 that he and Goncalves shared the dog.
A security cam from a neighbor close to Xana’s bedroom and also probably close enough to sliding glass door of Kaylee’s 3rd floor bedroom to upper deck to pick up some sounds picked up some barking. Might be Kaylee’s dog barking in Kaylee’s bedroom but not 100% clear on whose dog.
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At approximately 4:17 a.m., a security camera located at 1112 King Road, a residence immediately to the northwest of 1122 King Road, picked up distorted audio of what sounded like voices or a whimper followed by a loud thud. A dog can also be heard barking numerous times starting at 4:17 a.m. The security camera is less than fifty feet from the west wall of Kernodle's bedroom.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:39 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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it's quite normal. my family uses it (parents & siblings) and it makes my parents feel better at night knowing where we're at without having to wait for a phone call or text to let them know we're home safe.
Yes, I agree that it's quite normal with family. However, it seems to be very common among fairly large groups of friends, so that MANY people know your location. That's what she doesn't like. She would share it with maybe her roommate or a single very close friend. But several of her friends who were sorority girls share it with a dozen friends and almost use it to stalk and see where everyone is. I think that is common among students and rather than promoting safety, it could end up randomly letting lots of people know where you are, if one of your folks tells people.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:49 am to Sherman Klump
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I can’t help but read this and get a sense of how calm he was walking out. That may be one of the wilder parts to me. You break into a house. Kill 4 people with a knife and stroll on out. Was he not in a hurry? Frantic? Ran out the house? Such an odd series of events.
He was clearly in a hurry, one of the reasons why the vehicle was looked at initially was because it was seen speeding away from the scene. If he saw her, I would assume that he was thinking "frick how many more people are in this house, I gotta get out of here".
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:50 am to BilbeauTBaggins
How old are you and your parents
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:03 pm to dallastigers
Thanks for the info.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:05 pm to GentleJackJones
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I wish we could just put the length of time the roommate took to call 911 to bed.
People are stuck on this because it just seems off. I don't think these girls are involved, but I do wonder if Dylan recognized Bryan. Maybe she knew he was bad news, so that's why she was scared.
But you are completely right. No point in speculation about the actions (or inaction) of the two survivors. There is so much we don't know.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:07 pm to Chicken
This.
And my guess is she was high. Really high. To the point of like what in the world is going on. Is this real. And that whole wait what am i supposed to be doing right now? What were we just talking about? That kind of high. A mix between that kind of high and pure shock. She was scared and went in her room thinking he was on foot. (I don’t think his car was in their driveway)
She was probably afraid of where he might be. Was he still outside etc etc. is he coming back for me next? Horror films that she had watched were probably going through her mind. Then she probably even forgot what she was doing at certain points. And she was in shock.
She may have called Bethany and Bethany was asleep and didn’t answer.
She may have already taken Xanax, Benadryl or any type of sleeping pill BEFORE he was at the house. (She says the noises woke her up.) So it’s not a reach to assume she passed out.
The affidavit says they used Dylan and Bethany’s phones to narrow down the time the murders took place to between 4-4:25am. So maybe there’s a call between Dylan and Bethany at 4:25am. Then Dylan passed out after Bethany didn’t answer.
I think she ABSOLUTELY knew something bad happened to Maddie, kaylee, Xana and Ethan because it doesn’t say they used info from the other girls’ phones. Seems like she would have called them to check on them if she thought there was a chance they were alive. But the affidavit says Dylan abd obmy Bethany’s phones
When she woke up she probably immediately called Bethany again. told her what she heard and that she was scared to check on them. Bethany went up to her room. Then as Kaylee’s dad said together they discovered 2 of the bodies and both ran outside the house screaming. Then One passed out & one called 911 hyperventilating so 911 couldn’t understand her.
And my guess is she was high. Really high. To the point of like what in the world is going on. Is this real. And that whole wait what am i supposed to be doing right now? What were we just talking about? That kind of high. A mix between that kind of high and pure shock. She was scared and went in her room thinking he was on foot. (I don’t think his car was in their driveway)
She was probably afraid of where he might be. Was he still outside etc etc. is he coming back for me next? Horror films that she had watched were probably going through her mind. Then she probably even forgot what she was doing at certain points. And she was in shock.
She may have called Bethany and Bethany was asleep and didn’t answer.
She may have already taken Xanax, Benadryl or any type of sleeping pill BEFORE he was at the house. (She says the noises woke her up.) So it’s not a reach to assume she passed out.
The affidavit says they used Dylan and Bethany’s phones to narrow down the time the murders took place to between 4-4:25am. So maybe there’s a call between Dylan and Bethany at 4:25am. Then Dylan passed out after Bethany didn’t answer.
I think she ABSOLUTELY knew something bad happened to Maddie, kaylee, Xana and Ethan because it doesn’t say they used info from the other girls’ phones. Seems like she would have called them to check on them if she thought there was a chance they were alive. But the affidavit says Dylan abd obmy Bethany’s phones
When she woke up she probably immediately called Bethany again. told her what she heard and that she was scared to check on them. Bethany went up to her room. Then as Kaylee’s dad said together they discovered 2 of the bodies and both ran outside the house screaming. Then One passed out & one called 911 hyperventilating so 911 couldn’t understand her.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:19 pm to TrueTigerTale
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Someone from there called a sorority house from there long before calling police. it’s named in my link!
Oh, it's named in your link to some Youtube video with a call from an anonymous caller? Well, in that case, you've solved it!!
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:20 pm to LaLadyinTx
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As a woman who has been drunk before, it makes total sense. I think she was maybe a bit scared, but it was really late at night and she was very tired and possibly drunk or high as well. You think, I'm going to lock myself in here and maybe he will go away. You lay quietly in the bed and may be scared, but because you are so tired/drunk, etc., you fall asleep. You wake up in the morning and think maybe you were dreaming, etc.
As someone who unfortunately mixed benzos and alcohol in college a few times, that possibility popped in my head. Popping zannies is still a thing in college and if she was maybe doing that and drinking I could see her vaguely remembering see this guy, opening the door a few times out of confusion, then passing right out. In my experience with benzos you can pass out in the middle of an earthquake
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:26 pm to berrycajun
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Some are even speculating they were onto him as early as the day LE made the statement that the public did not need to be afraid because it was a targeted attack. How would they have known that? Because they already knew it was him on that day. How? Partial License plate from a camera in the area, maybe??? They don’t say they had his plate in the PCA, but they didn’t need to. Maybe this is a stretch. But who knows?
it was very odd to tell the student body - half of them a bunch of young girls walking around at night and living alone unarmed that they weren’t in danger. To me that meant they SOMEHOW knew it was him at that point and were surveilling him 24/7. It would have been extremely irresponsible to say this, otherwise. We will find out if and how they knew in June….
I don’t think they were onto to him from beginning. I kind of think the cops were in over their heads at first and focused on close contacts and maybe even connections with roommates. Within a few days they started getting help.
2nd processing of scene by ISP is what found latent shoe print.
Moscow Police asked other area law enforcement to be on look out for white elantras on Nov 25th.
Early AM Nov 29th WSU campus police searched their records and found his car with PA plate in their database. Another officer viewed the car 30 minutes late and ran its now Washington plates. The info was sent to Moscow.
It’s not listed when DL was actually first reviewed by anyone who was aware of Dylan’s description of person in house, or when Moscow group started looking at recent traffic stops with PA plate (which had phone # in officer cam), Washington registration, and so on including his background and PA requiring only one plate to first apply for warrant to get 1st batch of phone records on December 23rd. It’s also not listed when Elantra possibilities were expanded to 2016 from original 2011-2013, but it was least by December 23rd (2011-2013 was listed in Dec 7th public request for info so either a ruse right before students went home or hadn’t looked at his 2015 yet and ruse was just continuing to just list 2011-2013 on press release day after they already had dna results & also in the 6 days after using his 2015 car for phone record warrant).
Information used to get phone records for Nov 12 - midnight Nov 14 appears to be based on info they would have been sent Nov 29 or 30th. He may have been in a database of suspects from beginning of December, but I don’t think that he wasn’t the focus until December 23rd or maybe just a few days before.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 1/17/23 at 2:20 pm to Epic Cajun
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He was clearly in a hurry, one of the reasons why the vehicle was looked at initially was because it was seen speeding away from the scene.
The affidavit clearly states he walked by her. I would think if in a hurry, that affidavit would have described as so.
Other note - interesting point on the cops knowing early. I could see that with surveillance in hopes maybe he’d lead them to a weapon. Come late December, they had to make an arrest if these schools wanted to go about normal life. Idk. This case is so interesting and terrifying all at the same time.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 2:26 pm to LaLadyinTx
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it seems to be very common among fairly large groups of friends, so that MANY people know your location
for iPhone, you have to allow access to your location to another phone, and the other has to allow access to their location. on Snapchat, you can either allow specific people to see your location, have NO one see it, or allow all your friends to see it.
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How old are you and your parents
Early 60s. I have much younger sisters (no pics, weirdos) that live at home but also go out and work and do other social things.
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