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re: UPDATE: Idaho Murders Thread (Links inside)
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
People are putting way too much stock in what she said, after the fact. Eyewitnesses experiencing trauma don't always remember things exactly as they were
Someone from there called a sorority house from there long before calling police. it’s named in my link! There was a coverup, of some sort Roger.
Someone from there called a sorority house from there long before calling police. it’s named in my link! There was a coverup, of some sort Roger.
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:33 pm to HoustonChick86
For those new to the thread/case, here is a walkthrough of the house that gives you an idea of where everything is. I think it’s beneficial.
Just because something isn’t listed in the affidavit doesn’t mean the evidence doesn’t exist. The police didn’t even have access to the car until after the arrest.
As for the roommate going back to sleep, it could have been fear, hope, uncertainty, drugs/alcohol…. any number of things. No one knows. We do know that the police cleared her and the information in the affidavit. You don’t know what their house lifestyle was and if it was common or not to have people in the house at that time. Additionally, if the lights are off and the person is in dark clothes, you might not notice blood. I highly recommend looking at the walk through I posted above to get an idea of how things might have looked.
Just because something isn’t listed in the affidavit doesn’t mean the evidence doesn’t exist. The police didn’t even have access to the car until after the arrest.
As for the roommate going back to sleep, it could have been fear, hope, uncertainty, drugs/alcohol…. any number of things. No one knows. We do know that the police cleared her and the information in the affidavit. You don’t know what their house lifestyle was and if it was common or not to have people in the house at that time. Additionally, if the lights are off and the person is in dark clothes, you might not notice blood. I highly recommend looking at the walk through I posted above to get an idea of how things might have looked.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:46 pm to WuShock
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You don’t know what their house lifestyle was and if it was common or not to have people in the house at that time.
But you can't have it both ways. You can't use the "party house" excuse on both sides of the argument.
If it's a party house, and she's used to be people being in it at all hours, then she would have just put in air pods or something if people were being noisy.
Instead, she heard "weird" sounds (What would that even be in a party house?) and got out of bed, walked to the door, and opened it on THREE occasions. What would prompt a college student to get out of bed and look out of her door at that hour if she was used to people always being at her house.
Furthermore, on the third trip to peek out of her door she was "frozen in fear" from what she saw, but just proceeded to go to sleep. Sorry, it's just weird. Possibly completely innocent, but still odd.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:49 pm to WuShock
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As for the roommate going back to sleep, it could have been fear, hope, uncertainty, drugs/alcohol…. any number of things. No one knows. We do know that the police cleared her and the information in the affidavit. You don’t know what their house lifestyle was and if it was common or not to have people in the house at that time. Additionally, if the lights are off and the person is in dark clothes, you might not notice blood.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:50 pm to TrueTigerTale
why exactly are you assuming that anything posted on a youtube channel called "drunk turkey show" is the indisputable truth? what are their bona fides?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:53 pm to pussywillows
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why exactly are you assuming that anything posted on a youtube channel called "drunk turkey show" is the indisputable truth? what are their bona fides?
Listen to the podcast. What they say regarding the sorority can be verified, they named it.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:59 pm to HouseMom
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Because sometimes when people are lying, the lie itself makes no sense.
Tons of people are stuck on this one point. I'm not saying she's somehow involved or to blame, but it's just really strange. As a woman, there is no way I would have just fallen asleep.
I've turned this around in my mind so many times, and I just can't land on a scenario where it makes sense.
I admit it is strange and wouldn’t doubt that concerns about getting others in trouble by inviting police to enter house for something she feared could be an overreaction may have played a part in not calling police that night and also maybe even the next morning with friends there when cops first arrived, but where has it been said that she just went back to sleep right after seeing the guy or has lied?
No evidence yet she actually heard violent actions or saw blood or knife on the guy.
I think she did eventually fall asleep or pass out, but it doesn’t appear she just shrugged it off and immediately got back in bed and fell asleep.
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The male walked past D.M. as she stood in a "frozen shock phase." The male walked towards the back sliding glass door. D.M. locked herself in her room after seeing the male.
The police also got forensic downloads of her and Bethany’s phones (on top of the victims and guess any internet usage/data by other devices in house), so any texts, calls, and data usage around original estimated time frame for murders are known by police and were used in part to narrow down window of murders. If Bethany did not wake up, hear same things, see same person, or come upstairs soon after then mentioning having her phone data might mean Dylan texted or called her afterwards.
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The combination of D.M.'s statements to law enforcement, reviews of forensic downloads of records from B.F. and D.M.'s phone, and video of a suspect video as described below leads investigators to believe the homicides occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 a.m.
I think her seeing someone and being on 2nd floor only came out after arrest due to concerns about her safety and probably her own fear of becoming a target. Any concerns police had about her actions as far as involvement in murders were more than likely cleared up that first week.
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:01 pm to pussywillows
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why exactly are you assuming that anything posted on a youtube channel called "drunk turkey show" is the indisputable truth? what are their bona fides?
Amateur youtube sleuths have convicted most of Idaho and Washington already. Its ridiculous what they put out for clicks.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:06 pm to dallastigers
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The male walked past D.M. as she stood in a "frozen shock phase." The male walked towards the back sliding glass door. D.M. locked herself in her room after seeing the male
I can’t help but read this and get a sense of how calm he was walking out. That may be one of the wilder parts to me. You break into a house. Kill 4 people with a knife and stroll on out. Was he not in a hurry? Frantic? Ran out the house? Such an odd series of events.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:14 pm to WuShock
“ It’s disturbing to imagine the pain and fear these people went through”
I’ve thought the same thing numerous times.I can’t imagine the pain their families are going through, thinking of the way these kids died ,being butchered by a madman.
They will never get over it.It will be the last thing they think about when going to sleep and the first thing they’ll think about when they wake up,for the rest of their lives.
It’s hard to imagine that a human being could be so emotionally dead as to murder innocent people.
I’ve thought the same thing numerous times.I can’t imagine the pain their families are going through, thinking of the way these kids died ,being butchered by a madman.
They will never get over it.It will be the last thing they think about when going to sleep and the first thing they’ll think about when they wake up,for the rest of their lives.
It’s hard to imagine that a human being could be so emotionally dead as to murder innocent people.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:16 pm to Sherman Klump
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Was he not in a hurry? Frantic? Ran out the house? Such an odd series of events.
Probably tired.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:49 pm to TrueTigerTale
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Listen to the podcast. What they say regarding the sorority can be verified, they named it.
We have know for a long time that there were friends called who then went to house and still there when cops arrived. Just like the dog being found the cops didn’t mention it at first, but possibly due to locals talking about others there and the dog being seen taken out of house they eventually released the information. They also cleared anyone there when they arrived of being a suspect (including the dog I assume).
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:18 am to dallastigers
Not arguing, but has it been verified by law enforcement that friends were called by Bethany and Dylan before 911?
I’m pretty sure the ladder story has been debunked.
From what i understand from a couple articles quoting Kaylee’s dad, Dylan and Bethany woke up and found a couple of the bodies (likely Xana and Ethan) and ran outside screaming and then one of the girls passed out and one called 911. 911 couldn’t understand her because she was hyperventilating. Kaylee’s dad didn’t say which one called or which one passed out but I’m assuming it was Bethany who called. He likely didn’t want to say it wasn’t Dylan….
He specifically stated that 911 couldn’t understand whichever roommate called because she was hyperventilating.
I’m assuming neighbors heard screaming & saw Dylan passed out & ran over and took the phone from hyperventilating unable to speak Bethany and said someone is unconscious come quickly (they were referring to DYLAN) & they didn’t know there were 4 dead bodies in the house but likely gathered SOMETHING else was wrong since Bethany was freaking and unable to breathe.
Maybe AFTERWARDS Bethany caught her breath enough to call some friends over? So they were there when cops arrived or maybe neighbors called friends over?
Has it really been confirmed by LE that Dylan & Bethany called friends BEFORE they called 911?
I’m pretty sure the ladder story has been debunked.
From what i understand from a couple articles quoting Kaylee’s dad, Dylan and Bethany woke up and found a couple of the bodies (likely Xana and Ethan) and ran outside screaming and then one of the girls passed out and one called 911. 911 couldn’t understand her because she was hyperventilating. Kaylee’s dad didn’t say which one called or which one passed out but I’m assuming it was Bethany who called. He likely didn’t want to say it wasn’t Dylan….
He specifically stated that 911 couldn’t understand whichever roommate called because she was hyperventilating.
I’m assuming neighbors heard screaming & saw Dylan passed out & ran over and took the phone from hyperventilating unable to speak Bethany and said someone is unconscious come quickly (they were referring to DYLAN) & they didn’t know there were 4 dead bodies in the house but likely gathered SOMETHING else was wrong since Bethany was freaking and unable to breathe.
Maybe AFTERWARDS Bethany caught her breath enough to call some friends over? So they were there when cops arrived or maybe neighbors called friends over?
Has it really been confirmed by LE that Dylan & Bethany called friends BEFORE they called 911?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:34 am to LSUA 75
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It’s hard to imagine that a human being could be so emotionally dead as to murder innocent people.
Particularly in that most violent manner. I believe these kinds of people actually enjoy it.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:58 am to LSUA 75
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it.It will be the last thing they think about when going to sleep and the first thing they’ll think about when they wake up,for the rest of their lives.
The dreams too, I can't imagine what kind of nightmares they're going to have every night. Forever. Pure hell
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:21 am to berrycajun
I have always thought that Maddie was his target or Maddie and Xana. And i still kind of do. But my next theory of why that night throws my theory of Maddie and Xana being the targets out the window.
So Just a theory to toss around:
So why THAT night? With Ethan there? Ethan’s jeep was in the front of the house. He had to have known Ethan was there since he’d been watching them & the house. & why was he driving around so stupidly before the crime increasing his chances of getting caught (building up the nerve debating on whether or not to go in with Ethan there??) and going to Albertsons THAT night— again increasing his chances of getting caught. (getting last minute supplies)
It all seems very rushed and not well planned like you’d expect for someone in his field of study.
maybe I’m late figuring this out, but i think bryan chose that night because it was kaylee’s last night there. She was was moving to Austin. She had already moved out, but went back to Moscow one last time to show Maddie her new Range Rover.
He didn’t expect this. When he saw the iconic post of all of them at the house WITH Kaylee on instagram he likely thought oh she’s back so now i can kill Maddie Xana AND Kaylee?? this is my last chance b4 Kaylee is gone for good.
was Kaylee the only target? Maddie, Xana and Ethan got in the way? Or were Maddie and Kaylee the targets and Xana and Ethan got in the way? Or were Maddie, Xana and Kaylee all targets? Or were all 4 targets??
Anyway, this is the first time i ever thought about why he chose that night. It was his last chance to eliminate Kaylee. I hate typing that :(
But that night in his mind he thought now or never. It WASN’T well planned. She was graduating early. THAT caught him off guard.
Just a theory….
But I’m still leaning towards the theory that Maddie and Xana were his only targets so the Kaylee back one last night theory doesn’t jive with the Maddie and Xana were his targets theory : /
So Just a theory to toss around:
So why THAT night? With Ethan there? Ethan’s jeep was in the front of the house. He had to have known Ethan was there since he’d been watching them & the house. & why was he driving around so stupidly before the crime increasing his chances of getting caught (building up the nerve debating on whether or not to go in with Ethan there??) and going to Albertsons THAT night— again increasing his chances of getting caught. (getting last minute supplies)
It all seems very rushed and not well planned like you’d expect for someone in his field of study.
maybe I’m late figuring this out, but i think bryan chose that night because it was kaylee’s last night there. She was was moving to Austin. She had already moved out, but went back to Moscow one last time to show Maddie her new Range Rover.
He didn’t expect this. When he saw the iconic post of all of them at the house WITH Kaylee on instagram he likely thought oh she’s back so now i can kill Maddie Xana AND Kaylee?? this is my last chance b4 Kaylee is gone for good.
was Kaylee the only target? Maddie, Xana and Ethan got in the way? Or were Maddie and Kaylee the targets and Xana and Ethan got in the way? Or were Maddie, Xana and Kaylee all targets? Or were all 4 targets??
Anyway, this is the first time i ever thought about why he chose that night. It was his last chance to eliminate Kaylee. I hate typing that :(
But that night in his mind he thought now or never. It WASN’T well planned. She was graduating early. THAT caught him off guard.
Just a theory….
But I’m still leaning towards the theory that Maddie and Xana were his only targets so the Kaylee back one last night theory doesn’t jive with the Maddie and Xana were his targets theory : /
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:50 am to HouseMom
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But you can't have it both ways. You can't use the "party house" excuse on both sides of the argument.
If it's a party house, and she's used to be people being in it at all hours, then she would have just put in air pods or something if people were being noisy.
Why not? Yes, you very much can have people coming in and out and still be skeptical or unsure.
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Instead, she heard "weird" sounds (What would that even be in a party house?) and got out of bed, walked to the door, and opened it on THREE occasions. What would prompt a college student to get out of bed and look out of her door at that hour if she was used to people always being at her house.
Strange sounds. Being unsure of what she heard.
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Furthermore, on the third trip to peek out of her door she was "frozen in fear" from what she saw, but just proceeded to go to sleep. Sorry, it's just weird. Possibly completely innocent, but still odd
This is where I am interested if alcohol was involved.
I don't see the point of randoms questioning her without totally knowing what went down and even then everybody reacts differently. I have a female friend that could easily be frozen in fear one moment and then immediately fall asleep. People are weird, but I don't think it's worth speculating on until we know much more. Not everybody reacts to fear by calling the cops as strange as that may seem. It will be interesting to see if she gets to tell her full story at some point, but now she has to be extra careful, because people are questioning her actions.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:22 am to HouseMom
She described the story AFTER she knows her roommates have been murdered. She described it knowing she opened her door multiple times after hearing noises and saw someone. Intentionally or unintentionally she added the “frozen in fear” as a self defense mechanism to rationalize why she didn’t act. Likewise, the killer likely had tunnel vision after the last murders. He wants to get out and get out fast. He either didn’t notice the girl bc he was so focused on getting out or if he did figured he needed to get out fast.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:27 am to berrycajun
My guess is he did it on THAT night because he finally worked up the courage. It's highly likely he had staked out the house before in dry runs and backed out.
The answer to the question WHY will likely never be solved. It exists inside Bryan's mind and its likely even he doesn't fully understand why he had a compulsion to kill. What's clear is that at some point in the Late summer early fall he started stalking someone attached to that house and making trips late at night to observe. His stalking snowballed into murder at some point.
The answer to the question WHY will likely never be solved. It exists inside Bryan's mind and its likely even he doesn't fully understand why he had a compulsion to kill. What's clear is that at some point in the Late summer early fall he started stalking someone attached to that house and making trips late at night to observe. His stalking snowballed into murder at some point.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:56 am to The Boat
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College chicks will make their location public on snap chat. Snap chat has a map that shows people where you are down to house level. It's absolutely insane people do that.
Evidently tons of them use the "Share my location" function on their iphones. My daughter (no pics) went back to school and is in grad school (physical therapy) with lots of students around 24-25 years old. She's 31. A lot changed technology wise in those years. They all feel safer sharing their locations with each other. She thinks it's a little weird and a bit like stalking because they do go, "oh, Cindy is at X, maybe we should go as well."
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